Paid Members Surf Digby Posted October 8, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, SpursRiot2012 said: Rock/Oprah 2020. Meh. The Who did a rock opera way back in 1969. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewster McCloud Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Factotum said: I am not, in any way saying this is ideal or what anybody wants. I simply asked if anyone can honestly tell me who they would put forward from the Democrat's to fight Trump who has a chance of winning? Fact is we are through the looking glass. I put Oprah forward as it is something that has been discussed (as has Michelle Obama) by people, and she would be able to take him on. American politics does not follow the same conventions as most Democracies. Its Presidency has been held before by people who did not hold Political office (as is the case now) I am not saying this is what I want, but can anyone see anyone taking on Trump who isn't something different? What the "Left", and its more vocal cousin, the Liberal Left, should admit to itself is that people like Trump coming to power is largely a result of their own failings, rather than some massive shift in intelligence or sentiment of the average voter. Bernie Sanders had a better chance of winning than Hilary Clinton, because he had clear ideas and he was relatable, but still they went with Clinton 2 Electric Boogaloo. If Liberals in America really want to get Trump out of office they should focus on having clear soundbites that resonate with the people they claim to represent. Sanders would have done that, but he'll be too old and unsexy next time. Who can even remember what Hillary's manifesto was? It was overshadowed by all that stuff about building a tunnel or something, and her emails. Again, great choice, Liberals! It's a bitter irony that a millionaire from New York is now a champion of the angry working class. Edited October 8, 2018 by Brewster McCloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Totally. As I mentioned earlier Sanders had the opportunity to appeal to places that ultimately Trump picked up. It was an election for change and he was the candidate to take Trump on. However, worth mentioning that Hillary still won the popular vote by about 3 million and lost those key states not by much at all. I don't see America having shifted massively to the far right. They just need to appeal to those states like Michigan that they have ultimately failed. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted October 8, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 8, 2018 Or it could just be that almost half of American voters are fucking thick, racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic. Or all five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewster McCloud Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Probably more than half the people in the world are. It's up to the self-proclaimed progressives to convince them otherwise, without being insulting or smug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted October 8, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Brewster McCloud said: Again, great choice, Liberals! There is zero point in trying to have a discussion with any nuance about any of these issues with someone who uses the term 'Liberals' with a capital L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewster McCloud Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Chest Rockwell said: There is zero point in trying to have a discussion with any nuance about any of these issues with someone who uses the term 'Liberals' with a capital L. I apologise for endangering people's lives with my reckless use of a capital L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted October 8, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 8, 2018 There is an actual, identifiable difference between Liberals and liberals, though. Not all liberals are Liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewster McCloud Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I'm aware of that. I was typing too quickly rather than trying to make a bold political statement, and possibly forgetting the American left are Democrats rather than "Liberals". It's quite late where I am. Not really a big deal, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 The American left tend to be centrists or centre right. Â It's getting like that over here. Â Anything slightly left of the tories gets called left wing despite it not being. Â Conversely, things to the right of some people on the left get labelled as right wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted October 8, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brewster McCloud said: I'm aware of that. I was typing too quickly rather than trying to make a bold political statement, and possibly forgetting the American left are Democrats rather than "Liberals". It's quite late where I am. Not really a big deal, is it? Sorry, to clarify: that post was meant as a reply to the thread in general, not just yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted October 8, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 8, 2018 Pedantry side bomber, I think you know what I meant about people throwing the term 'liberal' around as a catch all pejorative without defining what they mean by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted October 8, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said: Pedantry side bomber, I think you know what I meant about people throwing the term 'liberal' around as a catch all pejorative without defining what they mean by it. True, but as Brewster was making distinctions in his original post, I thought maybe give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was talking about the more centrist Liberals, as most of the American left tend to be of that stripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) Brewster is PunkStep, we need the distinction made. Â Perhaps Mr McCloud is his twin? Edited October 8, 2018 by Keith Houchen MAGA Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted October 9, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 9, 2018 15 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: Brewster is PunkStep, we need the distinction made. Â Perhaps Mr McCloud is his twin? From the clan McCloud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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