The Notorious v Money

[TildeGuy~!]

2 hours ago, Carbomb said:

Fair enough. Like I say, not watched boxing for a while. Didn't know what his weight was, so I was going off the vague reports from the Boxing thread.

Odd that Tilde Guy should suggest him as a Hearns type to compare to Mayweather.

I miss read the original post, I thought as you hadn't watched boxing for a while you wanted to watch someone with Hearns style

[Carbomb]

1 hour ago, TildeGuy~! said:

I miss read the original post, I thought as you hadn't watched boxing for a while you wanted to watch someone with Hearns style

Ah, I see - my bad for not being a bit clearer. Thanks.

[Really Big Shoe]

Not sure if added but UK broadcast details

https://www.joe.co.uk/amp/sport/mayweather-mcgregor-watch-ireland-uk-133867

ITV and Sky Box Office the frontrunners now. Price is estimated to be £60, US $100+ for the HD broadcast. 

[d-d-d-dAz]

I'd eat my own leavings if they charged £60 over here. Close to no chance, I'd say. Certainly on Sky.

Sky already have to take into consideration the fact that people pay a premium for their service, so an additional £60 on top of, say, an £80 a month subscription just doesn't make any business sense. Even Mayweather/Pacquiao didn't break their £20 ceiling (may have been 24.95, but can't quite remember).

ITV might try something like that, but I just don't think the British market is set up for that kind of pricing structure. It could well kill the show dead in the UK.

I think someone's just done some rudimentary currency converting and plumped for that, regardless of market realities.

*edit* it was £24.95. There's no way that's tripled if Sky get it. None at all, I'd say. Maybe £29.95 at a push, owing for inflation, but even then I'd say you're on rocky ground. My educated guess would be £25, again, as the rest of the PPV portfolio hasn't increased much since Mayweather/Pac.

[ColinBollocks]

Indeed. £60 for an event that takes place in the wee hours of the morning, is mental. No matter how big the fight may be, something like that will surely just drive folk to download the thing, or watch it on YouTube?

[WeeAl]

Yeah they can't charge that price here and make a success of it. The shit time it would be on at as well as the normal pricing for PPV here would prevent it being possible, for Sky anyway. Should ITV get it I'm not so sure what they would do. I could see both companies jacking the prices up higher than normal for pubs and casinos and places like that though, knowing that those places would have to pay it.

[seanz25]

So the stuff I heard from attending the press event backstage is that Sky are still frontrunners to win it due to their platform having greater outreach of potential consumers and thus likely offering a larger potential sum, this is down to a technical front, however ITV are making the decision on whether they lump a bigger upfront guarantee fee to win it or not. A reliable source had told me ITV think this is the event that will stick 'ITV Box Office' in the public eye, as their two previous Eubank outings have been almost non-existant to the public. Basically when someone says PPV over here you only think of Sky Box Office.

Basically it's a really competitive PPV, both networks want it badly. Reinforced by both airing the London leg of the press conference live on TV. 

I wrote an article if anyone fancies reading it - http://www.mmaplus.co.uk/boxing/itv-shock-bid-maymac-tv-rights

I also have a hunch, not based on anything that I've been told, but the Joshua/Wlad 2 fight being proposed for Vegas - I wonder if Sky are concerned that they may not get away with charging for it due to the timings etc - Or that it won't do astronomical numbers like that last one did and it might hurt there overall numbers money wise. Fight's also proposed for mid/early December - People are saving for Christmas and that, lot's of facts that are likely to hurt it's buyrate. May/Mac however is gonna sell over a million easy. Mayweather promotions is selling advertising space on the proposed projections that 7 Million people buy it in the US & 1.7 million buy it over here for example. Sky have also not won the rights to GGG/Canelo - Box Nation have those.

Also not a chance this will be anything more than £25. Please don't bother reading another 'JOE' or 'Unilad' click-bait article on it being £60 or £130 (One figure I've seen suggested) As much as Sky would like it to be - The UK PPV market doesn't work over here like it does in the US. People over there happily pay a big fee as it's sold as if you're legit buying a ticket to the event. Over here it's totally different. A lot of people where pissed at Sky upping the PPV price for Joshua/Wlad to £25 recently. They're not making it higher for a fight at 3AM in the morning. 

The best outcome for everyone IMO would be an ITV win - Shakes up the market, likely to be cheaper. Their presentation also is really good when it comes to analysis and video packages. I really don't need Adam Smith bellowing over McGregor/Mayweather - Nor do I need him shitting on MMA when Conor get's beat. ITV they seem to have some decent stuff in-place. for example they aired this past weekends Eubank PPV in a number of Vue cinemas. Whilst they're limited in one sense, they've got the right idea in mind for expansion.  

Long post but I hope this helps/clarifys some stuff for people. Times are changing in UK Boxing right now...
 

[lambyUK]

As a BT customer I won't have access to Sky Box Office on their Box as a channel. That said, Sky Box Office is available online and on tablet and Now TV. Luckily Now TV is available on the BT box so if you are a BT customer, and Sky do get the rights, you should be able to watch through that method.

I'm still not even convinced I will even pay for it in all honesty given the time it will be on. If I do, I would say £25 is the limit for me.

In relation to Seanz above, if ITV present it anywhere near how they did with the London presser, then they can fuck right off. 

[seanz25]

5 minutes ago, lambyUK said:

As a BT customer I won't have access to Sky Box Office on their Box as a channel. That said, Sky Box Office is available online and on tablet and Now TV. Luckily Now TV is available on the BT box so if you are a BT customer, and Sky do get the rights, you should be able to watch through that method.

I'm still not even convinced I will even pay for it in all honesty given the time it will be on. If I do, I would say £25 is the limit for me.

In relation to Seanz above, if ITV present it anywhere near how they did with the London presser, then they can fuck right off. 

What was wrong with it out of interest? I didn't actually catch it as I was in attendence. Their presentation for the Eubank PPV was grand. 
£25 is the limit I'll spend on it myself before either heading to a bar/casino - or streaming. 

[lambyUK]

Just everyone involved were fucking clueless and it came across completely amateurish. Sam Matterface was awful, and the apparent lack of MMA knowledge was frightening. They spent the entire thing building up the Eubank fight, and overall it was just dull. Production wise was fine mind.

For me it was an audition for the real thing and they blew it in my eyes. They need to understand that whilst yes it's a boxing match, it's a unique event that needs more than your bog standard boxing personalities. 

[Egg Shen]

i got tagged in a Joe.co.uk post last night stating the PPV would be £80. When are people gonna start ignoring this bullshit?

 

[seanz25]

5 minutes ago, lambyUK said:

Just everyone involved were fucking clueless and it came across completely amateurish. Sam Matterface was awful, and the apparent lack of MMA knowledge was frightening. They spent the entire thing building up the Eubank fight, and overall it was just dull. Production wise was fine mind.

For me it was an audition for the real thing and they blew it in my eyes. They need to understand that whilst yes it's a boxing match, it's a unique event that needs more than your bog standard boxing personalities. 

Ahh right, makes sense. 

2 minutes ago, Egg Shen said:

i got tagged in a Joe.co.uk post last night stating the PPV would be £80. When are people gonna start ignoring this bullshit?

 

People are buying the 'Unilad' video of a guy supposedly faking his own press passess and walking out with McGregor too. Woeful. 

[lambyUK]

Here's the whole thing Seanz if you want to skip through it to see what I mean.

 

I have to say, I don't think Mcgregor got his dues for how good he was in London. If you watch the press conference of only his bit, and switch off before Mayweather drones on for 20 minutes, it's absolutely brilliant. 

[d-d-d-dAz]

It's worth noting that if it's in ITV, the likelihood isn't that it'd be cheaper. Sky's pricing model takes into account that the majority of purchasers will also be paying their Sky subs. 

The two purchasing models presented to Showtime will be a higher amount up front and a lower PPV price from Sky, and a lower amount up front from ITV but with a higher mark-up at point of purchase and thus higher cut for Showtime.

The latter obviously will be the most attractive initially, but Showtime will have done/be doing extensive modelling of their own to work out optimum pricing for a 4am event in the UK, based on previous Mayweather buyrates and McGregor overnights.

The likelihood is that there'll be a point, around 25-30, where increasing the price will actively decrease revenue.

If Sky have finessed their online/Now/streaming PPV capabilities, then I'd say they'd be in pole position.

Also, worth considering that Sky can Up the ante by including Italy, Germany, Austria and Switzerland into their bid.

And, if Sky do get it, they'll most likely sub-license it to DAZN in Central Europe and Asia. Which, seeing as I've recently left Sky Sports for DAZN, means I'll still be able to get it free.

And that's the most important thing, isn't it fellas?!

[David]

Fuck that, I'll get a good nights kip and just torrent the thing in the morning.