Kamaras-Tash Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 5:26 PM, Uncle Zeb said: It does raise an interesting, more general question of whether a criminal assault charge could ever be successfully prosecuted over a wrestler deliberately stiffing/shooting on his opponent. I suspect in most cases it would be near impossible to prove, and the business would close ranks against a police investigation, so a fake wrestling match is almost the perfect cover for a premeditated attack on a colleage. (If you both happen to be wrestlers, that is. Don't bother trying to arrange it with the prick who eats his crisps too loudly at the desk behind you.) Ā New Jack pretty much tried to scalp Mass Transit in ECW and when that got took to court fuck all happened so I'd be surprised if anyone actually won a case if they pressed chargesĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 If you ignore that Deathmatch thread on this forum I can pretend that shit like this doesn't exist in wrestling any more. Ā I would rather tut at Joey Ryan flipping people with his dick than read about the latest major injury / near death experience in the "it's perfectly safe" Deathmatch genre. Ā Wrestling has evolved since the 90s and is capable of pulling in crowds without blood and guts and all that nonsense. Ā The WWE has cleaned up their act to the point where a touch of colour in a match is genuinely shocking and has much more impact than anything in a death match. All this shit belongs in the history books, in my opinion. Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members quote the raven Posted November 25, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 25, 2018 When done well like the killshot vs Dante match its very good for a fued ender. When done infront of 10 rednecks in a field for no reason....probably notĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopper Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I attended a show last night in which Jimmy Havoc participated in a Ladder Match. He did a cool spot which I have never seen before but made total sense: Ā Jimmy and his opponent were fighting at the top of a ladder when the opponent reached up to grab the title belt with his left hand. Jimmy got a staple-gun out of his pocket and stapled the lad in his bicep/armpit area. He immediately lowered his arm and winced as we in the crowd did too, twatted Jimmy again with his right hand and reached up before Jimmy stapled that bicep-armpit too. Ā Bloody good match too. Havoc's opponent (Tyler Devlin, a local here in North Lincolnshire) took some gigantic bumps including the spot made famous by D-Von Dudley at SummerSlam 2000 where he was hanging from the wire which held the belt above theĀ ring before dropping and landing flat on his back rather than the more sensible and less painful feet-first option. Then for the finish Havoc took a big bump from the top of aĀ ladder on to another which was wrapped in barbed-wire and bridged between the firstĀ ladder and the bottom rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Accident Prone Posted November 26, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) On 11/24/2018 at 9:47 AM, Loki said: If you ignore that Deathmatch thread on this forum I can pretend that shit like this doesn't exist in wrestling any more. Ā I would rather tut at Joey Ryan flipping people with his dick than read about the latest major injury / near death experience in the "it's perfectly safe" Deathmatch genre. Ā Wrestling has evolved since the 90s and is capable of pulling in crowds without blood and guts and all that nonsense. Ā The WWE has cleaned up their act to the point where a touch of colour in a match is genuinely shocking and has much more impact than anything in a death match. All this shit belongs in the history books, in my opinion. Ā Not a lot of legit injuries coming out of deathmatches these days, bar your standard cuts and scrapes. You see more injuries happening in straight-up wrestling matches, mainly due to wear and tear, grueling schedules andĀ sheer unfortunate luck. Janela tore his knee executing a simple plancha. Shibata retired himself with a headbutt. Joey Ryan didn't bump on glass to tear his armpit, neither did Trips.Ā You can't even class the Marko Stunt injury asĀ aĀ deathmatch injury as it was an insane spot in a regular match. I've seen a few Canadian Destroyers off of elevated platforms in my day (that is an actual sentenceĀ I just wrote) but none had a major injury coming out of it...at least that I know of. Marko's injury was the result of poor planning and sheer bad luck. I think, believe it or not, deathmatch wrestling has gotten a lot smarter in recent times. The guys know their limits and they're comfortable in that surrounding. They know the ins and outs, the tricks ofĀ the trade and they've got a solid grasp on the matter. Take Jimmy Havoc'sĀ papercut spot for instance. Always gets a insaneĀ pop, but very good in how it's rooted in the Dusty Rhodes psychologyĀ of getting the biggest reaction from doing very little. There's also an infamous spot involvingĀ Dean Ambrose back in his indie days; he took a giantĀ meat cleaver to the forehead. Insanity! People were up in arms at how stupidly dangerousĀ the spot was. But it was tremendously cleaver in it's execution. Dean revealed in an interview later on that they tested the machine beforehand and he said it felt soft and didn't leave a mark or hurt at all. So all he did was got some colour beforehandĀ and the back-and-forth motion of the 'knife' created a brilliantly gory image. The days of untrainedĀ bumblefucks in Papa Roach tshirts, waddling round the ring stabbing each other andĀ legit gougingĀ their arms with box cutters, in matches filled withĀ botched spots aplenty in front of crowds of 50 people, are relegated to the shittiest of the shittiest indies. Practically out of sight. The American deathmatch style that plaguedĀ the scene during the 00's has gone and has been replaced by three main archtypes; - the slow-build Big Japan style where the weapons play an integralĀ part to the story and the few big spots are teased for maximum impact; - the wild brawl that looks more akin to a Memphis style blood fight and features less emphasis on setting up spots and more on creating a tense, crazy,Ā unpredictable atmosphere; - the creative, innovative weapons match where you have to suspend your disbelief that little bit more to get the pay off to a slew of whacky, ingenious bumps into fantastic contraptions. The real good deathmatchesĀ either excel at any of those three structures, or if the stars and planets align, you get a brilliant mix of two or all three. Even then, deathmatches areĀ mainly used as a special attraction these days. I don't think thereĀ is a single promotion worth anybodies money who run deathmatches every show. It certainly has it's place in today's wrestling scene but it's always going to cause a fuss among fans. Edited November 26, 2018 by Accident Prone Spelling and grammar, innit. Apart from 'cleaver', that's staying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 26, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2018 i quite liked the Papa Roach waddlers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 37 minutes ago, Accident Prone said: But it was tremendously cleaver in it's execution I'm sure it was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Accident Prone Posted November 26, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2018 Astounding stuff! Typo of the year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 26, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2018 yep, fantastic work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Hughes Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 TNT ExtremeĀ Wrestling in Liverpool have announced they are running a DM Tournament early next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted May 6, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) former XPW King of the Deathmatches, Supreme has died. Was a fan of the bloke back in the early 00's. RIP to the big man. Ā Edited May 7, 2020 by Egg Shen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted May 6, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) I remember him power bombing someone out of the ring through a table on the floor and dropping them directly on the top of their head. He also stiffed some young guys in XPW and broke their ribs for no reason. If I recall correctly he was the absolute shits and very rarely got booked outside XPW. Edited May 6, 2020 by LaGoosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted May 6, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted May 6, 2020 a touching tribute from LaGoosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 XPW is a whole 'Dark Side of the Ring' episode in itself.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Now I get it, the La is short for Lance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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