Paid Members ShortOrderCook Posted August 26, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 26, 2012 Those are two extreme examples. When Austin and Michaels were at Zigglers level, they weren't refusing to do jobs either. If Austin and Michaels were in a position where they felt they were lucky to have regular work and had no leverage, I doubt they'd have caused many headaches either. Austin and Michaels both had options as well. Ziggler is at their mercy, and they will treat him however they want. You can't let midcarders get away with murder. When you do that, you end up with what happened in WCW where Buff Bagwell is changing finishes without asking a road agent. You can allow them to contribute ideas, like back when Perfect and Jake were around, but having someone like Shawn Michaels around now is unthinkable. He used to ruin all their angles by going home or vacating titles. Â I realise all that. And to be honest i'll completely contradict myself in saying that i do like the fact that the guys of today do seem much more selfless. But at the same time i don't, you need some selfish qualities to really get ahead in WWE. That everyone is happy to lay down for the other guy almost seems like it causes creative to be complacent/lazy and belts and mid-carders and tag teams can become meaningless as a result. I certainly listed extreme examples but sometimes someone ruffling some feathers can cause some good, interesting developments as a fan. Â Zigglers treatment indeed, is baffling. That's if they ever want him to be a big money spinner. If they see him as the ultimate enhancement talent and a complete company guy, maybe not so much. The Jericho situation was very strange though. i don't know why they didn't have Ziggler throw up the stip for their Raw match for the SummerSlam match , beat him at SummerSlam and send him packing. He would have looked tremendous, confidently putting his MITB on the line, showing off and backing it up sending a good name out of the company. The way it went down he has gained absolutely nothing from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaaad! Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Doesn't Vince tend to respect the guys who stand up for themselves more? Might only be a rumour but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted August 26, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 26, 2012 Remember when Rock was all knackered in the last few minutes of the Cena match cos he was old and rusty and stuff? Â Turns out it might also be because he tore his hamstring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members PunkStep Posted August 26, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 26, 2012 I honestly didn't notice, I thought he was brilliant in the match. What a fucking super worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaaad! Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Went back and watched the match after reading it and it's noticeable how pained The Rock's expression is, plus when applying the Sharpshooter he drops to a knee after a while through pain. Â The fact, though, that I never noticed it at the time is definitely a testament to his work as PunkStep says. What a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Arch Stanton Posted August 26, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 26, 2012 Funnily enough, Rock's massively muscular physique going into WrestleMania had caused me to wonder about what might happen should he tear or rip a muscle during the match. I figured that by getting himself into that kind of bodybuilder shape, he was putting himself at a much greater risk of pulling something, especially considering he hadn't been wrestling at all. I was wondering what would happen if he suffered a Triple H style quad blow-out just a few minutes into the match- what kind of contingency plan could they possibly have in place for a match of that magnitude? I often think this about big-time matches- I assume that in most cases there is no real contingency as such- if you get injured you quickly work a shit finish and the show's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted August 27, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 27, 2012 Yep, they "forgot" to include Hiroshi Tanahashi, but right in the slot you'd expect to see him in, they've got Hiroyoshi Tenzan. Â Hahaha, Tenzan has had a better twelve months than Nakamura or Okada? They've clearly just plucked out the 1998 500 and just picked the Puro guys that are still active from them. I bet Ohtani and Kanemoto made the cut too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted August 27, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 27, 2012 What are you fannies on about? Nobody cares about these crap Japs, just tell me if Cliff Compton was in the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pol_pot_rick Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 - It was believed that Intercontinental Champion The Miz would be absent from RAW a few weeks as WWE sent him to London for promotional work. Following this week's tapings, Miz will be headed back overseas for more work but will indeed be at RAW tonight. He wrote on Twitter that he flew from London to Chicago late last night, drove to Milwaukee for tonight's RAW and then woke up at 6am this morning to begin local media appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Reefer Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 These things happen, like when they forgot the Undertaker the very first year. Â Poor Zeus. But for that oversight he wouldn't even have made the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members martyngnr Posted August 27, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 27, 2012 What are you fannies on about? Nobody cares about these crap Japs, just tell me if Cliff Compton was in the list. Doesn't look like he was....  <-- click on 'spoiler' to show/hide the spoiler  1 10 CM Punk 2 30 Bobby Roode 3 3 John Cena 4 15 Daniel Bryan 5 12 Sheamus 6 193 Jun Akiyama 7 25 Davey Richards 8 18 Kurt Angle 9 57 Mark Henry 10 6 Alberto del Rio 11 -- Hiroyoshi Tenzan 12 37 James Storm 13 76 Austin Aries 14 2 Randy Orton 15 33 Christian 16 17 Dolph Ziggler 17 31 Big Show 18 9 Eddie Edwards 19 146 L.A. Park 20 122 Kevin Steen 21 16 Jeff Hardy 22 4 Kane 23 35 Cody Rhodes 24 5 Takashi Sugiura 25 63 Devon 26 28 Dr. Wagner Jr. 27 7 Mr. Anderson 28 24 AJ Styles 29 -- Chris Jericho 30 40 Bully Ray 31 29 Kofi Kingston 32 13 Roderick Strong 33 39 Jack Swagger 34 -- El Terrible 35 21 Sting 36 51 R-Truth 37 11 Rob Van Dam 38 64 Go Shiozaki 39 118 Jay Lethal 40 286 Kazuchika Okada 41 89 Crimson 42 71 Shelton Benjamin 43 164 Magnus 44 94 Colt Cabana 45 130 Tensai 46 53 Seth Rollins 47 45 Shinsuke Nakamura 48 26 Christopher Daniels 49 1 The Miz 50 32 Matt Morgan 51 42 Samoa Joe 52 187 Sami Callihan 53 79 Charlie Haas 54 229 Michael Elgin 55 59 Gunner 56 19 Wade Barrett 57 20 Jeff Jarrett 58 34 Kazarian 59 268 Johnny Gargano 60 100 Santino Marella 61 155 Takeshi Morishima 62 49 Adam Pearce 63 74 Jay Briscoe 64 144 Karl Anderson 65 81 Mark Briscoe 66 67 Robbie E 67 38 El Mesias 68 73 Prince Devitt 69 147 Averno 70 140 Zack Ryder 71 99 Tommaso Ciampa 72 143 Primo 73 41 Satoshi Kojima 74 185 Brodus Clay 75 115 Adam Cole 76 -- Epico 77 -- Leo Kruger 78 114 Mike Bennett 79 98 Yamato 80 58 Negro Casas 81 -- La Mascara 82 46 El Generico 83 97 David Otunga 84 101 Kenny King 85 96 Eric Young 86 55 Hernandez 87 395 Zema Ion 88 188 Pac 89 277 Damien Sandow 90 192 Jey Uso 91 189 Jimmy Uso 92 296 Hunico 93 124 Harry Smith 94 186 Tetsuya Naito 95 87 Carlito 96 69 Evan Bourne 97 109 Rhett Titus 98 206 Richie Steamboat 99 61 Justin Gabriel 100 43 Sin Cara 101 232 Kyle O'Reilly 102 105 Great Khali 103 257 Blue Panther 104 103 The Almighty Sheik 105 --- Kid Kash 106 220 Luke Harper 107 113 Tyson Kidd 108 66 Heath Slater 109 47 Alex Shelley 110 44 Antonio Cesaro 111 --- Ryback 112 14 Suwama 113 --- Finlay 114 60 Abyss 115 197 Masato Yoshino 116 --- Jerry Lynn 117 54 Togi Makabe 118 208 Xavier Woods 119 23 Ultimo Dragon 120 131 La Sombra 121 86 Shingo 122 --- Masaaki Mochizuki 123 274 Akira Tozawa 124 36 Kassius Ohno 125 137 Yoshi Tatsu 126 280 Chuck Taylor 127 127 Hirooki Goto 128 160 Rhino 129 104 Low-Ki 130 56 D'Angelo Dinero 131 70 Naomichi Marufuji 132 --- Genki Horiguchi 133 88 Volador Jr. 134 --- Mike Dalton 135 119 Mason Ryan 136 --- Jay Spadley 137 --- Mahabali Veera 138 --- Jimmy Susumu 139 213 Derrick Bateman 140 --- TJ Perkins 141 --- Bo Dallas 142 95 Yuji Nagata 143 --- RJ Brewer 144 370 Rush 145 62 Douglas Williams 146 226 Drake Younger 147 --- A. R. Fox 148 90 BxB Hulk 149 80 Jushin Liger 150 78 Ezekiel Jackson 151 171 CIMA 152 135 Ryusuke Taguchi 153 50 El Zorro 154 --- Uhaa Nation 155 --- Rey Escorpion 156 205 Darren Young 157 --- Blue Demon Jr. 158 91 Shannon Moore 159 --- Caprice Coleman 160 175 Curt Hawkins 161 345 Mike Mondo 162 --- El Hijo Del Santo 163 --- Cedric Alexander 164 111 Minoru Suzuki 165 336 Jinder Mahal 166 126 Ultimo Guerrero 167 --- Bray Wyatt (also listed 244) 168 249 Titus O'Neil 169 --- Ryo Santo 170 106 Alex Riley 171 149 Mohammad Yone 172 77 Matt Jackson 173 173 KENTA 174 152 Joe E. Legend 175 337 Camacho 176 196 Hector Garza 177 162 Chavo Guerrero 178 83 Nick Jackson 179 269 Shawn Spears 180 --- Mark Haskins 181 168 Yoshinobu Kanemaru 182 --- Silver Kain 183 --- Kota Bushi 184 85 Kenny Omega 185 68 Ted DiBiase Jr. 186 --- El Hijo Perro Aguayo 187 --- Chance Prophet 188 275 Matt Cross 189 151 Joe Doering 190 52 Drew McIntyre 191 --- Jake Carter 192 317 Robert Anthony 193 244 Conor O'Brian 194 120 Tyson Dux 195 199 Jack Evans 196 --- Michael McGillicutty 197 --- GAMMA 198 75 Rob Terry 199 --- Corey Graves 200 288 Eddie Kingston 201 212 Naruki Doi 202 --- Masato Tananka 203 163 Tyler Reks 204 267 Cody Deaner 205 165 Chris Masters 206 --- Briley Pierce 207 153 JTG 208 325 N8 Mattson 209 276 Derek Wylde 210 116 Johnny Curtis 211 107 Brian Kendrick 212 --- Cibernetico 213 --- Brad Maddox 214 141 Delirious 215 --- Shawn Daivari 216 253 Dragon Rojo Jr. 217 289 Mike Quackenbush 218 110 Scott Steiner 219 --- Apollyon 220 172 Trent Barreta 221 385 Josh Alexander 222 294 Darin Corbin 223 397 Papadon 224 234 Chris Angel 225 181 Akitoshi Saito 226 --- Richochet 227 --- Shaun Tempers 228 --- Psicosis II 229 --- El Texano Jr. 230 300 Dragon Kid 231 133 Chessman 232 210 Hartley Jackson 233 227 Jado 234 366 Devon Moore 235 264 Petey Williams 236 291 Rocky Romero 237 177 Paul London 238 273 Mascara Dorada 239 320 Hallowicked 240 161 Steve Corino 241 --- Virus 242 --- Sonjay Dutt 243 --- Bestia 666 244 183 CORRECTED: Yoshihiro Tajiri 245 207 Extreme Tiger 246 --- Ricky Cruz 247 --- Takao Omori 248 134 Kaz Hayashi 249 243 Gedo 250 --- BJ Whitmer 251 --- Manabu Soya 252 223 Byron Saxton 253 --- Dean Ambrose 254 --- Masada 255 --- Famous B 256 263 Kahagas 257 200 Arik Cannon 258 272 Ryan Eagles 259 382 Jake Manning 260 388 Alex Silva 261 --- Daisuke Sekimoto 262 121 MVP 263 --- Kai 264 215 Big E Langston 265 278 Joey Ryan 266 --- Lance Archer 267 --- La Parka Jr. 268 --- Krimson 269 209 Masahiro Chono 270 93 Homicide 271 265 Akebono 272 --- Jimmy Rave 273 --- Gilbert 274 --- Rey Bucaniero 275 298 Rich Swann 276 361 Shane Haste 277 281 Jigsaw 278 --- Dr. Nicholas Dinsmore 279 --- John Silver 280 305 Harlem Bravado 281 310 Silas Young 282 --- Facade 283 217 Silver King 284 304 Lance Bravado 285 299 Matt Riviera 286 261 John McChesney 287 --- Gran Akuma 288 --- Gurv Sihra 289 284 Ruckus 290 180 Ray Gonzalez 291 --- Anthony Nese 292 --- Harv Sihra 293 --- Robby Heart 294 --- Kuimuna 295 339 Ace Hawkins 296 --- Rick Victor 297 282 Icarus 298 72 Tommy Dreamer 299 303 Pepper Parks 300 --- Scotty Vortekz 301 178 Luke Gallows 302 283 Ares 303 --- Damien Wayne 304 239 Sabu 305 311 Craig Classic 306 84 Jesse Neal 307 360 Vance Nevada 308 --- Kenneth Cameron 309 --- Tiberious King 310 316 Aden Chambers 311 329 Brandon Espinosa 312 190 Jon Davis 313 --- Marco Corleone 314 233 Necro Butcher 315 --- BLK Jeez 316 378 Danny Havoc 317 198 Kory Chavis 318 195 Oliver John 319 --- Jason Jordan 320 --- Caleb Konley 321 153 Mikael Judas 322 --- Roscoe Jackson 323 338 Alexander Rusev 324 --- Pinkie Sanchez 325 --- Ray Alexander 326 --- CJ Parker 327 --- Joey Rico Dynamite 328 --- Peter Avalon 329 --- Jake O'Reilly 330 404 Grizzly Redwood 331 --- Scott Reed 332 --- Willie Mack 333 438 Mike Posey 334 434 Shaun Ricker 335 369 Mike Sydal 336 363 Lince Dorado 337 --- Devon Storm 338 367 Asylum 339 290 Josh Daniels 340 202 Tim Storm 341 --- Stryknyn 342 --- Derek Sanders 343 --- Se7en 344 --- KENSO 345 --- Drew Gulak 346 203 Electroshock 347 --- Greg Excellent 348 433 Chris Wylde 349 --- Dru Onyx 350 365 Kyle Sebastian 351 371 Leakee 352 --- Luke Hawx 353 136 Amazing Red 354 372 Matt Burns 355 --- Craven Knyte 356 240 Percy Watson 357 --- Andrew Alexander 358 262 Ricky Reyes 359 --- Brandon Gatson 360 343 Andy Ridge 361 --- Jake Christ 362 --- Alex Koslov 363 254 Tiger Mask IV 364 398 Josef Von Schmidt 365 353 Steve Boz 366 --- Scotty O'Shea 367 356 DJ Hyde 368 387 RJ City 369 --- Bobby Fish 370 318 Robbie McAllister 371 108 Jimmy Jacobs 372 --- Mustafa Aziz Daniels 373 364 Dave Crist 374 --- Notorious T.I.D. 375 --- Mike Hughes 376 --- John E. Stone 377 --- Chip Day 378 --- Chris Silvio 379 --- Ashley Sixx 380 409 Kekoa The Flyin' Hawaiian 381 --- Super Dragon 382 --- Slyk Wagner Brown 383 --- Tank 384 --- Vaquero Fantasma 385 --- Dasher Hatfield 386 --- Dash Maverick 387 --- Aaron Draven 388 --- Micah Taylor 389 393 Cobian 390 436 Jimmy Cicero 391 --- Bobby Moore 392 --- James Bronson 393 --- Timothy Thatcher 394 --- Ahtu 395 --- Azrieal 396 --- Aiden Veil 397 --- Seth Delay 398 386 Bloody Harker Dirge 399 --- Oliver Cain 400 --- Breaker Morant 401 --- Garett Bischoff 402 --- Dandido Jr. 403 430 Sexxxy Eddie 404 --- Biggie Biggs 405 --- John Kermon 406 384 Sinn Bodhi 407 415 Crazzy Steve 408 --- Patrick Bentley 409 427 Matt Saigon 410 --- Scorpio Sky 411 454 Bill Collier 412 --- Tyler Hilton 413 --- Anthony Darko 414 421 Damian Dragon 415 379 Mike Rollins 416 --- Gregory Iron 417 --- Kyle Matthews 418 403 Bobby Shields 419 --- John Skyler 420 --- Primo Scordino 421 439 Gee Gee 422 --- Jayson Wayne 423 --- Napalm Bomb 424 376 Steven Walters 425 --- Hellcat 426 --- Stupefied 427 --- Ethan HD 428 --- Dave Osborne 429 459 Kevin Douglas 430 --- Sara Del Rey 431 368 Corey Hollis 432 --- Rob Sweet 433 --- Christian York 434 --- Greg Anthony 435 377 Sam Shields 436 428 Player Uno 437 --- Chris Rockwell 438 --- Dany Only 439 359 Paredyse 440 --- Nitro 441 --- Samuray Del Sol 442 --- Jessie Godderz 443 --- Gideon Malice 444 --- Vordell Walker 445 --- AJ Kirsch 446 469 Nick Fury 447 --- Black Ice 448 441 Joe Gacy 449 --- Luke Robinson 450 495 Brandon Thurston 451 461 Rudy Switchblade 452 455 American Kickboxer II 453 --- Billy Gibbs 454 --- Jamin Olivencia 455 460 Tommy Mack 456 --- The Bodysnatcher 457 --- Garrett Dylan 458 --- Jason Cypress 459 346 Ophidian 460 462 Steve Stasiak 461 --- Cueball Carmichael 462 362 Franky the Mobster 463 --- Nui Tofiga 464 --- Rob Fury 465 --- Cheech Hernandez 466 --- Gabe Saint 467 --- Johnny Spade 468 --- Larry Dallas 469 --- Danny Daniels 470 476 Marc Mandrake 471 327 Mohamad Ali Vaez 472 --- Dave Dutra 473 465 Chris Cooper 474 410 Kid America 475 --- Tommy Reznik 476 --- Butch Long 477 --- Joey Knight 478 --- Al Farat 479 --- Tyler Priegel 480 --- Mr. Ooh La La 481 --- Elia Markopoulos 482 485 Barry Hardy 483 489 Brandon Bishop 484 --- Lumberjack Leroux 485 --- The Big O 486 --- Shooter Storm 487 --- Jimi The Hippie 488 492 Corey Blaze 489 456 Chrisifix 490 --- LJ Cruz 491 --- Anton Levigh 492 --- Perry Von Viscious 493 --- The Maestro 494 467 Vince Beach 495 --- Silent Warrior 496 499 Johnny Adams 497 --- Lance Anoa'i 498 --- Nick Vickers 499 312 Shane Hollister 500 --- Brian Hardy   [close spoiler] ");document.close(); Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted August 27, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 27, 2012 Fucking hell. So Grizzly Redwood gets on there and some tit called Leakee? Pfft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Tommy! Posted August 27, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 27, 2012 <-- click on 'spoiler' to show/hide the spoiler 220 Trent Barreta  [close spoiler] ");document.close(); Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Arch Stanton Posted August 27, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 27, 2012 Surely we don't need to put the list in Spoiler tags? Does anybody here actually give that much of a fuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members martyngnr Posted August 27, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 27, 2012 Surely we don't need to put the list in Spoiler tags? Does anybody here actually give that much of a fuck? It was more so that there wasn't a massive long list in one post...and to stop idiots quoting like a tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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