Gazz Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Donald Trump doesn't use email because it's too complex for him and you believe his uncle explained how to build a time machine to him and Donald understood these principles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted March 8, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted March 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, UK Kat Von D said: At the end of the day, if someone was going to discover time travel you’d need a mad scientist like Tesla with the backing of a billionaire like Trump. If it can be done, those two are the best bet. But for this to work, Trump needs to have been a billionaire at the same time as a "mad scientist like Tesla" was working on time travel, not decades later. Unless billionaire Donald Trump today is only a billionaire because of time travel experiments with Tesla in the '30s/'40s, which he used to make his billions in order to go back in time and...make his billions? It all starts to get a bit grandfather paradox-y.  Quote Also it’s hardly even a proper flaw, a guy called Don guiding a guy called Baron Trump? Very reasonable to assume that they used titles so to be a bit subtle. Why else would anyone call their kid Baron? It was the late 19th century, for a fantastical novel to use titled characters (Baron, Don, etc.) was hardly unusual. As for why anyone would call their kid Barron (as the spelling of Trump's kid's name isn't the same as the title) - turn that question around. For the Baron Trump in this book to be an intentional allegory of Donald or Barron Trump, how does "why would you call your kid Baron?" play into it? Because for that question to be held as evidence of the time travel theory, the only explanation would be that Donald Trump named his child Baron so that the theory about the book would make sense. Surely the point, if we take this theory as read, is that the book was written as an allegory, a prediction, or a warning about Donald Trump - which came about through Donald Trump's time travelling capabilities. Which would mean that Donald Trump had to have named his child Barron before this book was written, which doesn't get us any closer to an answer to the question, "Why else would anyone call their kid Baron?". The Occam's Razor explanation is that Barron is an uncommon, but not unheard of, first name, and people give children weirder names than that all the time. So what we're looking at here is a kid called Barron Trump, and a character referred to as Baron Trump by title, but his name given as Wilhelm Heinrich Sebastian Von Troomp, and a character that has been erroneously referred to as being "called" Don, but is actually called Constantino Bartolomeo Strepholofidgeguaneriusfum, with the title "Don". If that character is supposed to represent Donald Trump, why is the character Spanish? To make it more "obscure" and make people less likely to pick up on the reference? Then what purpose do the references, or "hidden clues", serve if they're intentionally obfuscated? Surely the more obvious explanation is, "Wow, that's a spooky coincidence - but on further reading, they're not as similar as they first appear", rather than, "that's a spooky coincidence - all the further reading must be intentionally obscurant."?  Quote How much more obvious do hidden clues in history books have to be? Are they expected to have included Trump’s blood type in the book? There are still loads of things in the book which can’t be explained, like giving the address for Trump Towers being listed as the site where the revolution starts Just going on the Snopes article, the address given is Fifth Avenue - pretty much a byword for wealth and extravagance in New York, so it serves a narrative purpose, and would have made sense to readers at the time. If the book had positioned the start of the revolution at Wall Street, the implication would be equally apparent - and it would be absurd to read that and say, "but the Trump building on Wall Street wasn't built until the 1930s!", unless you were specifically looking to force that connection. Coincidence? Absolutely. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And it's not a "history book", it's two fantasy books, which seem to have been conflated into one for the sake of making the "time travel" argument stronger - the first book is Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey, the second is 1900: Or The Last President. The character of Baron Trump doesn't appear in 1900. So now the argument is that these two books were supposed to act together as a warning/prediction/allegory? That we're supposed to pick out the key bits and pieces from each that fit the narrative and ignore the rest? If the second book was written as a warning for the future, why was it given a contemporary setting?  And why "hidden clues" in the first place? For what purpose? If Donald Trump is a time traveller, what has an obscure fantasy/children's author alluding to that theory in a children's book got to do with it? Even if you took the time travel element as fact, would you not just look at the alleged way in which we've been told about and think, "Well, why?". Or is this like the Illuminati secretly running everything, yet still feeling the need to hide "clues" in every conceivable bit of pop culture for....no discernible reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Kat Von D Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, Gazz said: Donald Trump doesn't use email because it's too complex for him and you believe his uncle explained how to build a time machine to him and Donald understood these principles? No, I think he said “I’ve got the basic blueprints for time travel, here you go.” Then Donald went “oi scientists, here’s a few billion. Figure this out for me.” Incidentally, there is a few billion of Trumps wealth which has disappeared and unaccounted for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted March 8, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted March 8, 2018 Holy shit, that's why he hasn't released his taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Kat Von D Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Okay Bomber, that’s a lot of writing and I’m don’t sure I have the time to go through it all properly. ”And why "hidden clues" in the first place? For what purpose? If Donald Trump is a time traveller, what has an obscure fantasy/children's author alluding to that theory in a children's book got to do with it? Even if you took the time travel element as fact, would you not just look at the alleged way in which we've been told about and think, "Well, why?".” You are trying to understand the logic of a billionaire time travelling nutcase with insecurity issues. Putting himself in an 1800s children’s book is exactly what he’d do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 31 minutes ago, UK Kat Von D said: Incidentally, there is a few billion of Trumps wealth which has disappeared and unaccounted for Isn't that because he is a terrible businessman? Â Economists have shown that if he took his inheritance and put it in high yield accounts, he'd have more money than he does now. Â Hasn't he filed for that non personal bankruptcy four times or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 30 minutes ago, UK Kat Von D said: No, I think he said “I’ve got the basic blueprints for time travel, here you go.” Then Donald went “oi scientists, here’s a few billion. Figure this out for me.” Incidentally, there is a few billion of Trumps wealth which has disappeared and unaccounted for Yeah, it's because he's a pathological liar who grossly overinflated the value of his holdings (for example, he valued the name 'Trump' at $3.3bn, not the brand, not licensing and marketing rights, just the name itself) so it seemed he was far wealthier than he actually is. If he was anywhere near as wealthy as he claims he is, he wouldn't have had to go to Russian banks to loan money because American and European banks told him to do one.  Just now, Keith Houchen said: Isn't that because he is a terrible businessman?  Economists have shown that if he took his inheritance and put it in high yield accounts, he'd have more money than he does now.  Hasn't he filed for that non personal bankruptcy four times or something? Six Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 42 minutes ago, Gazz said: Six Fucking hell, cheers Gazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted March 8, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted March 8, 2018 To be fair, though, financing time travel would probably bankrupt you a coupleof times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Kat Von D Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Be worth it though, imagine how many Bitcoins you could buy.... probably enough not to bankrupt yourself actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted March 13, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted March 13, 2018 Cover story of the latest Fortean Times is about one of my "favourite" mysteries - "Who Put Bella In The Wych Elm?" For those of you unfamiliar - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_put_Bella_in_the_Wych_Elm%3F  In 1943, four boys found the skeleton of a woman stuffed inside a tree in Hagley Wood, her right hand was found buried separately. She was believed to have been murdered in 1941. She was never identified - no one came forward to claim knowledge, police contacted dentists in the area to see if any of their patients were a match for teeth (which were apparently distinctive in terms of missing teeth and overcrowding), and so on. No missing persons reports in the area matched her description. In 1944, graffiti started appearing in Birmingham saying variants of "Who Put Bella In The Wych Elm?", and similar graffiti popped up in Birmingham and Wolverhampton repeatedly over the years, recurring to this day. There were theories floated that "Bella" was connected to German spy rings, to a man confined to a mental hospital that had recurring nightmares of a woman's face staring at him from a tree, or that the separate burial of her hand pointed to a ritualistic murder with connotations of witchcraft, but her identity has never been confirmed. Her skeleton and autopsy report have also gone missing, unaccounted for.  I'd recommend reading up on it if you don't know the story, as it's fascinating stuff - if you do know the story, anyone have any thoughts/theories/ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted March 13, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted March 13, 2018 sure thats been posted in here before, it rings a bell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briefcase Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Not sure if this is the right thread but does anyone know any good conspiracy forums? Whether its to do with missing planes or even the Russian poison thing. Just looking for somewhere to read up on theories/ideas behind these things, but with decent logic, not reddit type bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoUseforaUsername Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I was going to suggest Reddit. Nevermind. If anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole for a while, The Murder of Mark Kilroy article on Wikipedia is a disturbing read. Young American college aged student on a spring break trip across the border kidnapped and then sodomized and tortured as part of a voodoo ritual that his drug running killers believed would protect them from prosecution. Some of the horror stories I hear about Mexico, you couldn't pay me to go there. Wasn't Chris Jericho almost kidnapped or something when he was working as Corazon De Leon over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 That Mark Kilroy story was a harrowing read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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