David Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Brewster McCloud said: Again, we're not disagreeing. I'm not saying that the mad shit he said was because he was a wrestler, but rather that environment might have made it worse and contributed to his cuntitude. And so what if he had a family? Even I can do that - woop de doo! Woop de doo? Seriously? You've made a whole host of points in this thread that are just plain stupid. From claiming that he didn't "get it," despite him earning millions of fucking dollars from the profession, to claiming that if he'd been "one of the lads" during an era when being "one of the lads" meant being a complete fucking deviant, his mental health might not have suffered so much. You've even laughably claimed that one of the founding members of possibly the most notorious faction in the history of the industry, and one of the major players in the whole "WWF vs WCW" angle "had one good match with Bret once upon a time." It's really simple. Warrior was a smart, turned-on guy when it came to business. He knew how to make a dollar. He was also an arsehole and a bigot. Nash was the same, except he was not a bigot, nor as much of an arsehole. There's nothing more to it, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewster McCloud Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, David said: Woop de doo? Seriously? You've made a whole host of points in this thread that are just plain stupid. From claiming that he didn't "get it," despite him earning millions of fucking dollars from the profession, to claiming that if he'd been "one of the lads" during an era when being "one of the lads" meant being a complete fucking deviant, his mental health might not have suffered so much. You've even laughably claimed that one of the founding members of possibly the most notorious faction in the history of the industry, and one of the major players in the whole "WWF vs WCW" angle "had one good match with Bret once upon a time." It's really simple. Warrior was a smart, turned-on guy when it came to business. He knew how to make a dollar. He was also an arsehole and a bigot. Nash was the same, except he was not a bigot, nor as much of an arsehole. There's nothing more to it, really. Seriously? You were the one who brought it up. I suspect your unwarranted vitriol is due to what I said about Kevin Nash, but that's a side issue that I can't be arsed getting into. What are we even arguing about? Did I deny that he was smart enough to make coin? No. I'm done with this shite, although you seem like a good chap and thanks for challenging me. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brewster McCloud said: Seriously? You were the one who brought it up. I suspect your unwarranted vitriol is due to what I said about Kevin Nash, but that's a side issue that I can't be arsed getting into. What are we even arguing about? Did I deny that he was smart enough to make coin? No. I'm done with this shite, although you seem like a good chap and thanks for challenging me. Seriously. I'm not challenging anyone, I just commented when you said that Warrior "didn't get it," because it's very obvious that he did. As far as Nash goes, your statement regarding his career was laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewster McCloud Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 He "got it" in the sense of making money, yes. My rapidly more ridiculous point is that he could have made more of an effort to be less of a dick. OK? Are we done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I was one of the biggest fan of The Ultimate Warrior and still think his matches with Macho and Hogan at Wrestlemania are amazing, if WWE like the character and on TV he always did things right, never turned on anybody and they want to use that to inspire people then I don't care as long as it helps people. The steroids, coke, pain killers, benzos even alcohol etc that most wrestlers used to take can have a very serious effect on people, him like Macho or even that cunt Chris Benoit could have been paranoid and deluded for much of his wrestling life, even when he wasn't wrestling for some those demons never go away, that may have caused some social anxiety, I have no idea, I'm not excusing him from some of the horrible things he said but I can see why he might not have wanted to be one of the "boys" especially when half the roster would stab you in the back for a bigger push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Brewster McCloud said: He "got it" in the sense of making money, yes. My rapidly more ridiculous point is that he could have made more of an effort to be less of a dick. OK? Are we done? The wrestling business is full of dicks, that's just how it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewster McCloud Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Yes it is. I'm going to bed now. Thanks for the debate, it was fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Accident Prone Posted October 21, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, David said: It's really simple. Warrior was a smart, turned-on guy when it came to business. He knew how to make a dollar. He was also an arsehole and a bigot. Nash was the same, except he was not a bigot, nor as much of an arsehole. Yep, pretty much this. As much as I disagree with Nash's viewpoints on pro wrestling, he's a top lad outside of the ring. Politically and socially sound. Warrior had a similar outlook on pro wrestling, but was an utter cunt outside of the ring. I was very disappointed to see him welcomed back into the WWE fold considering all of this; “…queering don’t make the world work.” “One of the premises that I put forward in my speech being that the fundamental difference between the ideological sides is “thinking vs feeling,” the most enlivening emotional outbursts erupted when homosexuals were offended by my use of the word “queer.” One guy without his husband and two physically-repulsive butch-dykes slurping on one another’s tongues (really) on the front row had a real hard time cozying up to my principled heterosexual obstinacy. So, in an act of pure selfish pleasure the guy got himself physically thrown out by the masculine security guard, unmistakably loving every single masochistic, man-handled moment of it. And the dykes, well, they ran out screaming and yelling like speared wild boars that I was a homophobe for making my remarks. Rumor has it that they decided to exit more because I was not getting stimulated by watching their poorly performed two-nightcrawlers-in-heat act.” - Warrior on the LGBTQ+ community. “They never gave a care for order, cleanliness or function before, but now that they can get someone’s attention who will possibly take over the responsibility of their life for them, they go on these tirades about how their life has been ruined.” - Warrior on the victim’s of Hurricane Katrina. “They claim New Orleans was (is) a great city. Maybe once it was, I don’t know. Too, maybe it’s just always been corrupt as it has been for years and years. Truth is, today, it was nothing more than a pornographic cesspool of decadence and depravity.” - Warrior on New Orleans in the wake of Katrina. "Martin marched a few times from Selma, AL to Montgomery, AL. It’s only about 40 miles and he walked along paved roads with security escorts and modern comforts and conveniences. He wrote a few jailhouse letters, plagiarized a great many speeches, and played up his last name “King” as if he was ONE. He led his best rally amid the monuments of Washington, DC. He preached proper, righteous behavior while he at the same time committed adultery many publicly verifiable times — oh, and he had ‘a dream.’ ” - Warrior on MLK Day. “By today’s standard, though, I do have to agree that he was a great father. Perhaps even greater then the father of the year, Hulk Hogan. After all, Leather Hedger did what it took to kill himself. His kid is without a father, yes, but the negative influence is now removed and his own child has the chance for a full recovery.” - Warrior on the death of Heath Ledger, whom he despised due to his starring role in ‘Brokeback Mountain’. “Order the queer and the cripple who host the show to read what I have written here and here, and while they do that have them hold up mirrors looking at themselves so they can know exactly the kind of people in your organization I’m writing about.” - Warrior’s remarks to being invited into an episode of WWE’s web show, Byte This. “As for you, Booby Heenan, it’s just too difficult to keep a straight face talking about the pure two-faced bag of sh– you are (and have always been), what, with you also actually wearing one as a piece of body jewelry. You are dying, dis-eased on the inside, and no more time is left to get back any of the integrity that matters the most on death’s bed. Imagine what it will be like, lying there taking in your last breaths, knowing you whored yourself out your whole life, and had to, in your final years, be faced with emptying your own personal sh–– bag affirming to you the true value of what you achieved in your life. Not even Vince could come up with a better finish than this. Karma is just a beautiful thing to behold.” - Warrior on Bobby Heenan. I'd rather have 100 Nash's than one Jim Hellwig. Fuck him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RancidPunx Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Here’s one for the fantasy bookers ! How would you have booked Warriors WCW run to make it a success ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RancidPunx Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Here’s one for the fantasy bookers ! How would you have booked Warriors WCW run to make it a success ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Poster Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Answer to the original post: Ultimate Warrior is All Elite 🙂 What was his beef with Bobby Heenan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshC Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Ideally, you have him run through the swathes of underneath guys on Thunder and Saturday Night, much like Goldberg did. Rapid-fire wins. But I'm sure he wouldn't have been contracted to do that number of dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted October 25, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted October 25, 2021 Delighted to see this thread bumped so as to remind us that Brewster McCloud hasn't posted for over two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted October 25, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted October 25, 2021 Book him in an absolute stinker of a match with Hogan so Hogan can get his win back, then don't do a rubber match? Also mirror bollocks and some nonsense with the Renegade at Fall Brawl. Maybe let him cut interminable 10 minute promos on Nitro. As was said above, short squashes where his weaknesses can be hidden, then if you feel brave find somebody you know can walk him through a longer match in the style of the Savage match from Mania 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamaras-Tash Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Devon Malcolm said: Delighted to see this thread bumped so as to remind us that Brewster McCloud hasn't posted for over two years. Those exchanges had to have taken place at daft o clock while he was pissed, the constant arguing against points he even made. Unless he was just an idiot like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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