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Rape is such an emotive crime that IMO the general public should just be kept out of it & anyone accused shouldn't be named until it goes to court.

If you're a public figure your career can be killed regardless of the verdict. People with no information of the case chiming in, defending their fave actor/footballer because the character they portray is nice or they play for their team. On the other side people seemingly just wanting to fulfil some morbid desire to see someone fucked over with 'he probably did it #ibelieveher' bollocks. Both different cunty sides of the same coin.

Do you think murder suspects should retain anonymity? Or any crime for that matter? Just to use it as an example, and indeed it is so very rare, take Stuart Hall.

 

He maintained his innocence from the moment he was questioned and continued to do so for a long time. However, because other survivors saw that someone was actually not being dismissed outright, it empowered them to come forward, then another, and another. Hall then admitted his guilt. He would be as free as a hairy cornflake had he had anonymity.

 

I do see what you mean with some #ibelieveher people. However, that hashtag is an attempt to foster in a culture of believing. My instinct, right or wrong, when someone says they've been attacked is to believe them. As (I think it was) Mo said, rape is not a victim first crime. Do people doubt those who say they were burgled, or mugged, or attacked?

 

There is a scheme being launched in Liverpool where survivors will give a testimony before the trial. The purpose of this is that the events will be clearer in the memory and they won't have the ordeal hanging over them. A lot of rape trials fall apart due to inconsistencies under cross examination, due to the witness not remembering things from the time etc.

 

Another example of great strides being made for taboo subjects is the one regarding male rape. A colleague of Mrs Houchen was on BBC breakfast talking about his charity that is focused on male survivors. He was saying how difficult it was admitting that he was raped but it would have bed more difficult to have said nothing.

 

I feel it's good that we are having this conversation.

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Houchen, you'll know this. Why are rape victims called "survivors"? Are there many cases in which a rape will precede murder or is it just a commonly used term?

Pretty much because it's empowering. A victim is not as empowered as a survivor. It's about being considerate to those who have been through hell, a different word can be incredibly supportive.

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Operation Yewtree is not having a good track record, is it?

Stuart Hall's the only proper success story so far isn't he? With Rolf and a few others pending?

A few old, very obscure Radio 1 personalities have been jailed. I think they were on the Savile "strand" of Yewtree.

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Houchen, you'll know this. Why are rape victims called "survivors"? Are there many cases in which a rape will precede murder or is it just a commonly used term?

Pretty much because it's empowering. A victim is not as empowered as a survivor. It's about being considerate to those who have been through hell, a different word can be incredibly supportive.

 

Ah yeah that makes sense. Cheers.

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"Paedophile Information Exchange" was a legit group in the 70s and 80s.

 

The Paedophile Information Exchange - a group that spoke positively about adults attracted to children - was granted affiliate status with the National Council for Civil Liberties before Ms Harman joined.

Clicky.

 

Ton of members too.

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What the fuck has that got to do with Harriet Harman? She worked for a civil liberties group that, before she even joined it, had had links with this group. She probably didn't even know it existed, let alone had any contact with it.

 

This is Daily Mail journalism at its worse, and as she rightly points out, it's difficult to take seriously on paedophilia a paper which uses titillating pictures of underage girls to drive traffic to its website.

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