Pinc Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Operation Yewtree is not having a good track record, is it? Stuart Hall's the only proper success story so far isn't he? With Rolf and a few others pending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Rape is such an emotive crime that IMO the general public should just be kept out of it & anyone accused shouldn't be named until it goes to court. If you're a public figure your career can be killed regardless of the verdict. People with no information of the case chiming in, defending their fave actor/footballer because the character they portray is nice or they play for their team. On the other side people seemingly just wanting to fulfil some morbid desire to see someone fucked over with 'he probably did it #ibelieveher' bollocks. Both different cunty sides of the same coin. Do you think murder suspects should retain anonymity? Or any crime for that matter? Just to use it as an example, and indeed it is so very rare, take Stuart Hall. Â He maintained his innocence from the moment he was questioned and continued to do so for a long time. However, because other survivors saw that someone was actually not being dismissed outright, it empowered them to come forward, then another, and another. Hall then admitted his guilt. He would be as free as a hairy cornflake had he had anonymity. Â I do see what you mean with some #ibelieveher people. However, that hashtag is an attempt to foster in a culture of believing. My instinct, right or wrong, when someone says they've been attacked is to believe them. As (I think it was) Mo said, rape is not a victim first crime. Do people doubt those who say they were burgled, or mugged, or attacked? Â There is a scheme being launched in Liverpool where survivors will give a testimony before the trial. The purpose of this is that the events will be clearer in the memory and they won't have the ordeal hanging over them. A lot of rape trials fall apart due to inconsistencies under cross examination, due to the witness not remembering things from the time etc. Â Another example of great strides being made for taboo subjects is the one regarding male rape. A colleague of Mrs Houchen was on BBC breakfast talking about his charity that is focused on male survivors. He was saying how difficult it was admitting that he was raped but it would have bed more difficult to have said nothing. Â I feel it's good that we are having this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted February 13, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted February 13, 2014 Surprised the police haven't looked into this tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members FLips Posted February 13, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted February 13, 2014 Houchen, you'll know this. Why are rape victims called "survivors"? Are there many cases in which a rape will precede murder or is it just a commonly used term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Houchen, you'll know this. Why are rape victims called "survivors"? Are there many cases in which a rape will precede murder or is it just a commonly used term? Pretty much because it's empowering. A victim is not as empowered as a survivor. It's about being considerate to those who have been through hell, a different word can be incredibly supportive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted February 13, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted February 13, 2014 Operation Yewtree is not having a good track record, is it? Stuart Hall's the only proper success story so far isn't he? With Rolf and a few others pending? A few old, very obscure Radio 1 personalities have been jailed. I think they were on the Savile "strand" of Yewtree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members FLips Posted February 13, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted February 13, 2014 Houchen, you'll know this. Why are rape victims called "survivors"? Are there many cases in which a rape will precede murder or is it just a commonly used term? Pretty much because it's empowering. A victim is not as empowered as a survivor. It's about being considerate to those who have been through hell, a different word can be incredibly supportive. Â Ah yeah that makes sense. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members WWFChilli Posted February 13, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted February 13, 2014 Surprised the police haven't looked into this tweet. Â Entrapment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gmoney Posted February 14, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted February 14, 2014 Operation Yewtree is not having a good track record, is it? Stuart Hall's the only proper success story so far isn't he? With Rolf and a few others pending? Â I don't think that was actually part of Yewtree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted February 14, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yeah, you're right there gmoney. Hall's victims had watched the Savile programme on ITV and sent a joint letter to a leading lawyer and the lawyer got the police involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyV.2 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Maybe details of the case just shouldn't be published as people tend to take them as fact. By all means name them if it helps more people come forward when charged, but I don't believe in all the dirt being published in the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted February 25, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted February 25, 2014 "Paedophile Information Exchange" was a legit group in the 70s and 80s. Â The Paedophile Information Exchange - a group that spoke positively about adults attracted to children - was granted affiliate status with the National Council for Civil Liberties before Ms Harman joined. Clicky. Â Ton of members too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 What the fuck has that got to do with Harriet Harman? She worked for a civil liberties group that, before she even joined it, had had links with this group. She probably didn't even know it existed, let alone had any contact with it. Â This is Daily Mail journalism at its worse, and as she rightly points out, it's difficult to take seriously on paedophilia a paper which uses titillating pictures of underage girls to drive traffic to its website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyV.2 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Yeah it really is ridiculous to link this to her. It's essentially the Mail starting the dirty war in the run up to the election. Ironic them talking about Paedophilia when their website is full of rather questionable articles about younger girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted February 25, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted February 25, 2014 What's the deal with the Labour vs Daily Mail hate recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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