Random thoughts thread v2 *NO NEWS ITEMS*

[Au]

According to the US Patent and Trademark Office, their previous trademarks are still valid.

 

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4801:mt6yym.2.3

 

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4801:mt6yym.2.4

[Dr.PeterVenkman]

I saw somewhere that Hell in a Cell did 76000 buys worldwide, do WWE make enough off that and the network subs to turn a profit or are they fucked if the subs don't go up substantially?

[Loki]

He was pretty good at jumping off high stuff and being racist to Japanese people though.

 

I thought TWGTT were a good team, and liked Haas well enough.  Just 2 more names for the Lost Generation list.

[GavinSAFC]

I'm just watching the 2003 Royal Rumble and have been reminded of some horrific storylines, such as Nathan Jones 'g'dday' vignettes and Dawn Marie marrying and humping Torrie Wilson's dad, who storyline died culminating in them having a stepdaughter v stepmother match where Dawn Marie came to the ring wearing a black veil.

 

Who on earth thought this was a good idea?!

[Loki]

Well, it gave us Dawn Marie and Torrie Wilson snogging in that hotel room, which was the exact moment the WWE peaked.

[GavinSAFC]

Well, it gave us Dawn Marie and Torrie Wilson snogging in that hotel room, which was the exact moment the WWE peaked.

Actually, they just aired one of those Sean O'Haire promos where he played like a devil's advocate. Forgot how class they were!

[Otto Dem Wanz]

At one point in my life those videos of Torrie and Dawn Marie lezzing it up were the only wank material I needed for about three weeks straight.

[Vamp]

I liked the Nathan Jones vignettes!

[IANdrewDiceClay]

I honestly thought "well, Brock's going to have to step aside when this bloke turns up" when I saw those Nathan Jones vignettes. They were sensational.

[Loki]

He was fucking huge as well, Matt Morgan size but much meaner looking.  They could definitely have made money with him, if he'd had one iota of wrestling talent.

 

2003 WWE doesn't half look bad compared to some of the last few years.

[Shane O' Mac Version 2]

One needs to only look at the game roster from Here Comes The Pain to see how great the WWE talent pool was in 2003. For the mix of Attitude Era stars, WCW crossovers, 80s legends and current wrestlers like Cena, Orton and Lesnar in their rookie years, I think it was the greatest single roster in wrestling history. Not the greatest product necessarily, but incredible star power.

[Chest Rockwell]

Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but you're talking about the current stars with the benefit of hindsight. Who knows which guys in the current crop will have that kind of longevity and will be similarly retrospectively re-evaluated in a few years.

[Undefeated Steak]

C&Ped the 2003 roster into a spoiler tag. Name value alone you're right, but there's also a lot of shite in there and very few of the top stars were at the top of their game. Apart from The Game himself, whose run that year gives Pitcos the creeps 11 years on.

 

1) Edge 
2) Christian 
3) The Rock 
4) Stone Cold 
5) Bill Goldberg 
6) Kurt Angle 
7) Mr. America (Hulk Hogan) 
8) The Hurricane 
9) Booker T 
10) Shawn Michaels 
11) Triple H 
12) The Undertaker 
13) Rob Van Dam 
14) Shane McMahon 
15) Charlie Haas 
16) Shelton Benjamin 
17) Tajiri 
18) Kane 
19) Scott Steiner 
20) Ultimo Dragon 
21) Spike Dudley 
22) Bubba Ray Dudley 
23) D-Von Dudley 
24) Funaki 
25) Goldust 
26) Jeff Hardy 
27) William Regal 
28) Lance Storm 
29) Heidenrich 
30) Test 
31) Randy Orton 
32) Chris Benoit 
33) Eddie Guerrero 
34) Chavo Guerrero 
35) Sean O' Haire 
36) Maven 
37) Al Snow 
38) Val Venis 
39) Tommy Dreamer 
40) Rosey 
41) Steve Richards 
42) Rodney Mack 
43) Rene Dupree 
44) Rob Conway 
45) Sylvain Grenier 
46) Rhyno 
47) Batista 
48) Rico 
49) Jamal 
50) D-Lo Brown 
51) Doug Basham 
52) Danny Basham 
53) Orlando Jordon 
54) Paul London 
55) Spanky (Brian Kendrick) 
56) John Cena 
57) Brock Lesnar 
58) Matt Hardy 
59) Bradshaw (JBL) 
60) Rey Mysterio 
61) Rikishi 
62) Nathan Jones 
63) Billy Kidman 
64) Zack Gowen 
65) Ric Flair 
66) Crash Holly 
67) Hardcore Holly 
68) Scotty 2 Hotty 
69) Akio (Jimmy Wang Yang) 
70) A-Train (Albert) 
71) Chuck Palumbo 
72) Johnny Stamboli 
73) Chris Kanyon 
74) Nunzio 
75) Matt Morgan 
76) Chris Nowinski 
77) Bill DeMott 
78) Big Show 
79) Jamie Noble 
80) Shannon Moore

Edited December 10, 2014 by Undefeated Steak

[Shane O' Mac Version 2]

Where'd you get that roster from? I see a suspicious lack of Big Show, Chris Jericho, and Mark Henry. Plus, a lot of those shit lower card guys lived on Velocity/Heat.

 

As for looking at current stars with retrospect, that's true, but they had obvious serious potential back then. Looking at current young guys, we get so much of them on TV, it's easy to see what kind of potential they had. The Shield, Wyatt, Bryan- if he can get healthy- big time players in the next few years. Then you have guys with "potential" that have really been around an age like Kofi and Ziggler. I don't think any of those guys have it in them to flip a switch and explode into stardom- maybe a lack of ambition that Vince mentioned, but more likely the controlled corporate environment. Once you've seen a WWE wrestler for 6 months in the current climate, you know what you have with them.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Shane O' Mac Version 2

[tiger_rick]

The problem with 2002/2003 isn't the talent. They had a stacked roster and they kept bringing in anyone who had name value. It was the booking. They hadn't settled on the next formula o they were just constantly trying shit to be edgy and suck back in the crowd they'd lost pretty spectacularly in 2001. Smackdown suffered less from this so was consistently the better show but by 2004/05 it'd fill up with some right toss because Raw was where the big stars went (and there weren't many of them post Rock/Lesnar/Austin.