Jesse Ventura Link...now something else

[GlennCullen]

Ah, Alex Jones. I do love it when he gets brought up into these debates. It seems strange to me that the pro-conspiracy lobby (for want of a better term) support Alex Jones. They're usually good people, after a fashion - believe the media hegemony is trying its hardest to shut down more and more of the debate, that having an increasing number of billionaires in the world is probably a bad thing...but they'll allow Jones, a man who would have been happy to become a Republican state representative in 2000, to hijack their campaigns.

 

There's very little of the fine-tooth-comb analysis that they insist on in all other walks of life applied to them and their supporters, I've found.

 

As "Loose Change" was brought up, I'll tell my favourite anecdote about it. There was a BBC documentary about 9/11 and the conspiracy theories behind it a few years ago (still available from a torrent site near you, should you be interested). At one point they interviewed the chap who made Loose Change about a comment "Popular Mechanics" magazine had made about the way the plane worked. He said "Popular Mechanics knows about farm machinery, they should shut the hell up and stick to talking about what they know". The irony of a man who knew absolutely nothing about buildings, architecture, materials, planes, the way they flew, the properties of their fuel, or indeed anything else, mocking someone for their lack of knowledge on the subject appeared to be entirely lost on him.

 

I remember seeing that and laughing my arse off. Dylan Avery is an utter tool.

[Rob Lowe]

I hope a New World Order does take over. Then I can sign up for their Gestapo like secret police. We'll round up Keelan, Dynamite Duane and others like them, and bash their heads in.

 

YOU ARE THAT ANNOYING!

[The King Of Swing]

I generally enjoy Jones work (docs that is I tend to avoid his shows) but the guy should really be taken with a pinch of sault.

[Keelan]

I find it typical that although I haven't mentioned Lizards, 2012 or any other "out there" shit, you still bring them up as a way to make me sound like a kook. "He thinks there's a conspiracy therefore he must believe in all conspiracies". We go from mentioning the Bilderberg group, to "he must be mentally ill". You must be mentally ill if you can't see that a group set up by a Nazi and a one worlder that meets in secret with US and EU powers in Banking, Business and politics ISN'T doing something untoward or at the very least undemocratic! In fact in many countries it is illegal for such a meeting to take place! But no I'm mentally ill and need to be rounded up.

 

I'm posting information about REAL people, REAL organizations, and REAL ideologies that are there in plain English. It was only the other week that unelected Fabian-Socialist Bilderberger Gordon Brown called for a New World Order. His recent speech oh wait, at the Fabian Society talked about "a fair world for all" under a world system of Banking and hinted at the same thing for climate change......Yet when I say New World Order I'm mentally ill.

 

Gotta get that antisemitism in there too, eh? Some things never change. You'll be quoting The Protocols of the Elders of Zion next.

 

Again, who's mentally ill here?

 

You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about Geo-politics and the Israel lobby. Ever heard of Labour Friends of Israel?

Israel has a HUGE hand in US and UK foreign policy. It's not Anti-Semitic to point that out, it's a fact.

 

It's not anti-Jewish. The Jewish kid down the road obviously has no hand in world politics. But what it is is criminals like Michael Chertoff, dual Israeli-US citizenship.

 

You know the guy that did all the media rounds before and after the attempted Detroit Bombing calling for the full naked body scanners that break child porn laws and potentially cause radiation for frequent fliers? Just so happens his private security consulting company that makes money out of assessing terrorist threats already had the naked body scanner firm as a client. He has a financial incentive in over-hyping the terrorist threat and getting naked body scanners in. Nice chap eh?

 

As "Loose Change" was brought up, I'll tell my favourite anecdote about it. There was a BBC documentary about 9/11 and the conspiracy theories behind it a few years ago (still available from a torrent site near you, should you be interested). At one point they interviewed the chap who made Loose Change about a comment "Popular Mechanics" magazine had made about the way the plane worked. He said "Popular Mechanics knows about farm machinery, they should shut the hell up and stick to talking about what they know". The irony of a man who knew absolutely nothing about buildings, architecture, materials, planes, the way they flew, the properties of their fuel, or indeed anything else, mocking someone for their lack of knowledge on the subject appeared to be entirely lost on him.

 

You mean the same BBC that just did a Detroit Bombing documentary that failed to even mention that US officials let Mutallab on the plane as revealed by Patrick Kennedy at the house of homeland security committee? The documentary that failed to interview key eyewitnesses that saw and heard a well dressed man escort Mutallab on to the plane without a passport because I quote "we do this all the time". The same BBC that made no mention of another "suit" filming the entire event while on the plane?

 

The same BBC that Bullshits about the Iran nuclear threat.....du dud du dung "today on the news, is Iran one step closer to a nuclear bomb?"

 

You need 80+ % enrichment of uranium to build a nuclear weapon, Iran has 20%

And have broken no international rules on the matter.

 

I remember seeing that and laughing my arse off. Dylan Avery is an utter tool.

 

No Dylan Avery is not a tool he was a young man that made a documentary asking a series of very important questions about the official story of 9/11, which 6 of the 10 members of the 9/11 Commission admit was not the truth.

 

Was Dylan 100% correct? No, but did he pick up the investigation where the officials tasked to do so ignored, yes!

 

This video of Dylan being interviewed by ABC should be very enlightening as to how the mainstream media have no interest in the truth:

 

A room full of whistle-blowers, eye witnesses, first responders, investigators and so on, and the mainstream media simply try to soundbite these guys.

 

Polls suggest 36% up to 50+ % of Americans believe they weren't told the truth about 9/11. In a democratic country that should be enough to warrant a re-investigation.

 

But I guess half of Americans are just mentally ill.

[King Pitcos]

Again, who's mentally ill here?

 

[Keelan]

Again, who's mentally ill here?

 

 

Blood out of a stone...

Edited March 18, 2010 by Keelan

[CoreyVandal]

One thing I've never quite gotten....Surely the smart money's on siding with this 'New World Order' rather than being one of the loons that decided to take it on (and you have to admit Keelan, more loons subscribe to theories such as yours than sane, balanced people). If you're wrong it means you're a nutter, if you're right it means they could be coming for you at any moment.

I for one welcome this New World Order, and wonder if you know where to contact them, I'm quite interested in doing some flyering for them.

[PowerButchi]

I've even got a T-Shirt, if they want me to join some kind of Street Team.

[Keelan]

One thing I've never quite gotten....Surely the smart money's on siding with this 'New World Order' rather than being one of the loons that decided to take it on (and you have to admit Keelan, more loons subscribe to theories such as yours than sane, balanced people). If you're wrong it means you're a nutter, if you're right it means they could be coming for you at any moment.

I for one welcome this New World Order, and wonder if you know where to contact them, I'm quite interested in doing some flyering for them.

 

Well some people prefer not to bow to tyranny.

 

if you're right it means they could be coming for you at any moment

 

Does it? It's not quite that simple. They already have a grip over out economy and the EU is racing ahead. They won't necessarily be barging through people's doors with guns. I'm not naive nor deluded in that respect. They are not after me, I know that.

 

I for one welcome this New World Order, and wonder if you know where to contact them, I'm quite interested in doing some flyering for them.

 

Well going to Yale University to do political science or economics should get you half way there. You could always join the green movement and run around screaming save the polar bears. That seems to be doing a good job of getting people to accept the ludicrous idea of taxing a life giving gas.

[martyngnr]

I've even got a T-Shirt, if they want me to join some kind of Street Team.

I will join with you. I have a nice trucker cap and beach towel i could bring with me?

[Keelan]

I've even got a T-Shirt, if they want me to join some kind of Street Team.

I will join with you. I have a nice trucker cap and beach towel i could bring with me?

 

You're from Aberdeen?

Heard of the pedophile ring that abused a downs syndrome girl Hollie Greig, that has ties to the top levels of the Scottish establishment? No? Perhaps you should turn off the football and start calling out your Lord Advocate.

[Loki]

you still bring them up as a way to make me sound like a kook.

 

You need no help in this department.

 

You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about Geo-politics and the Israel lobby.

 

Obviously. You can't even spell it properly though.

 

Ever heard of Labour Friends of Israel?

 

Yup. Amazing eh?

 

 

Israel has a HUGE hand in US and UK foreign policy.

 

No they don't.

 

It's not Anti-Semitic to point that out

 

No, it's just delusional.

 

 

Was Dylan 100% correct? No, but did he pick up the investigation where the officials tasked to do so ignored, yes!

 

No he didn't, he picked up where the facts ran out and the conspiracy theories started.

 

This video of Dylan being interviewed by ABC should be very enlightening

 

No it wasn't.

 

 

But I guess half of Americans are just mentally ill.

 

At least we agree on that.

 

 

 

 

The unpalatable truth is that one of the two following scenarios is correct

 

1) Everyone else in the world is less bright than you are, somehow brainwashed, and unable to see the truth about the world. At the same time, thousands of people are willingly taking part in a massive global conspiracy that murders their own countrymen alongside others and managing at the same time to do their normal jobs. Everyone who works for mainstream media, regardless of their background or political beliefs, are also willingly indulging in this enormously complicated, wide-ranging and yet somehow secret plot

 

or

 

2) You're the one that is wrong, and too dumb or too mental to be able to critique your own actions. Everyone else is normal.

 

Statistically speaking, the second scenario is vastly, vastly more likely. Plenty of people have already pointed out the fundamental problems with your whole argument basis but of course you've ignored it. You have to, otherwise your whole life will need re-evaluating.

 

Look at people's reactions to what you post. Are they scared, angry, frightened? No. They are laughing at you. You are an object of pity. Doesn't that register as a problem? If your arguments were so solid, wouldn't they carry some weight rather than elicit laughter?

[martyngnr]

I've even got a T-Shirt, if they want me to join some kind of Street Team.

I will join with you. I have a nice trucker cap and beach towel i could bring with me?

 

You're from Aberdeen?

Heard of the pedophile ring that abused a downs syndrome girl Hollie Greig, that has ties to the top levels of the Scottish establishment? No? Perhaps you should turn off the football and start calling out your Lord Advocate.

You mean the paedophile ring that was led by her own father? What of it?

[Astro Hollywood]

]Polls suggest 36% up to 50+ % of Americans believe they weren't told the truth about 9/11. In a democratic country that should be enough to warrant a re-investigation.

 

Polls suggest that 41% of Americans believe in Creationism over Evolution. There's no shakier ground for the reality of something than "a load of people believe it!" Isn't that the sort of blind acceptance you're rallying against?

 

Oh right, it's the media that we choose to pay attention to that's brainwashing us, there's nothing but truth and virtue coming out of the - extremely profitable for those churning out books, videos and speaking tours - conspiracy field.

[Keelan]

You need no help in this department. Obviously. You can't even spell it properly though.

 

Another waste of a comment that adds nothing to the debate. A common occurrence when you're failing to find a comeback.

 

Yup. Amazing eh?

Amazing no, interesting yes. Makes you question where people's loyalties are.

 

No they don't.

 

Yes they do. That's why the the term "the Israel lobby" exists. Read a foreign affairs journal or something. If you prefer TV, it was only a few weeks ago that the BBC (not exactly a beacon of truth) but still, they did a documentary on it. What do you think is going on with Iran right now?

 

No, it's just delusional.

 

No it's realistic.

 

No he didn't, he picked up where the facts ran out and the conspiracy theories started.

 

6 out of 10 of the official 9/11 Commissioners admit the truth wasn't told. Over 1,000 Architects and Engineers believe the structures could not have fallen the way NIST and the commission have said. There are tonnes of whistle-blowers that have revealed prior knowledge of the attacks...

 

No it wasn't.

 

So you don't think it would be a good idea for the mainstream media to follow up on the topics brought up in the film and interview the various whistle-blowers, eye witnesses and so on, when some polls say 50% + of American's don't believe the official story?

 

At least we agree on that.

 

Another pointless comment

And for the record I don't agree on that.

The unpalatable truth is that one of the two following scenarios is correct.

 

The unpalatable truth? ohhh lets hear it.

 

1) Everyone else in the world is less bright than you are, somehow brainwashed, and unable to see the truth about the world.

 

Plenty of people entertain the information that I do. The idea that it is a fringe no longer cuts it. Some may focus on the economics side, the flawed banking system etc. Some may stick with corruption in the government. Others may follow 9/11 closely. But it's no longer a fringe belief. Ron Paul holds very similar views to me. I hope to god he becomes president some day. Jesse Ventura's show gets better ratings than Impact. Russia Today regularly covers 9/11 and other corruption. Whether this is just supply and demand or them deciding to do their jobs is debatable, but it shows lots of people think this way.

 

At the same time, thousands of people are willingly taking part in a massive global conspiracy that murders their own countrymen alongside others and managing at the same time to do their normal jobs. Everyone who works for mainstream media, regardless of their background or political beliefs, are also willingly indulging in this enormously complicated, wide-ranging and yet somehow secret plot

 

Wrong again. The bank clerk who takes the old lady's money and puts it an account thinks he's helping her save her money. He doesn't know he's holding up a multi-national banking cartel based on flawed mathematics.

 

The news anchor reading their teleprompter doesn't know that the research behind the script isn't as sound as it should be, and might be deceptive or outright propaganda.

 

Thousands of people die based on lies all the time, it's called WAR. Those pesky WMDs. That pesky Bin Laden. Speaking of war, have you ever heard of the Gulf of Tonkin incident? The sinking of the Lusitania? Pearl Harbor? All contrived events with prior knowledge and/or direct help from officials. False Flag terror is a concept in army field manuals. And what about all the chmeical testing soldiers have had to endure over the years? Such caring people our leaders.

 

When people say 9/11 was an inside job, it doesn't mean Bush got in the plane. Turning a blind eye or helping to groom extremists is just as much an inside job. it was more likely a military intelligence operation.

 

 

Look at people's reactions to what you post. Are they scared, angry, frightened? No. They are laughing at you. You are an object of pity. Doesn't that register as a problem? If your arguments were so solid, wouldn't they carry some weight rather than elicit laughter?

 

They carry lots of weight, you're refusing to debate me.