AEW Revolution 2022 *Potential Spoilers*

[TildeGuy~!]

Danielson/Mox is ending in a draw surely?

Hoping the PPV doesn’t go the way it did the last one where every match felt like 30 minutes long and half way through I just had enough of the work rate and went to bed. 

[Version1.0]

The ladder match for a TNT title shot is a rubbish idea when titles shows are given out for free every second week on Rampage.

Jeff Hardy is surely replacing Isiah Cassidy.

Is there a chance Punk vs MJF will be the main event?

Pick a winner between Moxley/Danielson.

[Infinity Land]

I don't see Jeff Hardy appearing. It's more about getting Sting, Darby, Sammy, and Andrade on the PPV. AHFO will lose and that will see the split between Andrade / Private Party and Matt Hardy. Jeff then arrives on Dynamite when his no compete is due up. 

[Chili]

Punk/MJF doesn't need to be the Main Event, like Austin/Bret didn't. Unless it's an Unsanctioned Match or Stampede, then they always end with their title match. I feel bad for Adam Page, he has a serviceable feud with Cole and it'll be good, plus he's been awesome on the mic recently has Hangman. He's still that hard worker with a confidence issue and a point to prove. There's just some mega hot feuds peaking now, which apparently seems to translate into Hangman not being over or weak now. Which I think is part myopic perception and just us lot craving a minor whinge. 

[69MeDon]

I'm pretty sure Tony Khan already said on one of the pre-PPV radio interviews that the world title match is on last. As it should be, really.

[Jazzy G]

5 hours ago, Version1.0 said:

The ladder match for a TNT title shot is a rubbish idea when titles shows are given out for free every second week on Rampage.

Yeah. I'm all for Starks trying to make the ladder match sound important, but when he's tailing about how he can't wait to win the ladder match and get a title shot during a triple threat match between involving two people who've just recently had title shots out of nowhere it sounds like shouting into the void. It's the kind of thing where you'd expect JR to chime out of nowhere with "what's the point of qualifying for a ladder match if there's an open contract on the belt anyway?" on commentary, which is probably why most of the qualifiers happened on Rampage. 

Then, before he goes to have his qualifying match for the ladder match for a title shot, Ethan Page watches his manager and tag team partner talking about how he gets a shot at the title Page has to qualify for a ladder match to earn a shot at on the Rampage following Revolution. Does the ladder match winner get the shot on Dynamite on Wednesday? If that was the case I really wouldn't want to be in that ladder match, especially when the champion is in what I'd say is a match with less risk of injury. 

I'd say to make the ladder match for a world title shot, but that feels kind of like a redundant point as well when Lance Archer got to come back from his injury and pretty much straight into a world title match.

I like the intention of the rankings, it's a good idea to help lean into a more legit sporting presentation, but then they do these things. 

The tag team rumble/battle royal as well. Why bother clawing your way up the rankings when there's a good chance you'll get a go in a battle royal or a rumble for a shot at some point? At least have a higher spot in the rankings equate to a later entry in the Rumble, so you have a better chance of winning. 

Mind you last Heath Slater strolled into the Impact zone, slapped Moose during a promo and got himself a world title shot as punishment, so what do I know about anything? 

[69MeDon]

This isn't the first time some of the "win x to get a title shot" stuff didn't make sense. At one point, Miro was #1 or #2 ranked and replaced, I think it was, Mox in the world title number one contender's tournament. It didn't make sense to me why he just wouldn't wait for his shot.

[Jazzy G]

Or wasn't in the tournament in the first place? 

[69MeDon]

1 minute ago, jazzygeofferz said:

Or wasn't in the tournament in the first place? 

Nah, why put yourself through a tournament? If you're Miro and you're basically beating the shit out of everyone most of the time, why not keep yourself fresh and just take your shot when it eventually gets to you as #1 ranking?

[Version1.0]

Money in the Bank works so well becuase it is for an opportunity you can't get any other way, a cash-in at any time. AEW needs something similar. What did Scorpio Sky get to do with the giant Sonic ring?

*Huge AEW fan, love 95% of the product, I just don't get the appeal of this ladder match.

[Jazzy G]

When Scorpio Sky won the big sonic ring he got a shot at Dwrby's TNT title, which he lost, but it all just led to Ethan Page arriving and teaming with him. It set up an angle and a team that went on to do nothing of note on TV, as opposed to really elevating him. I'd argue his victories over Jericho did more for him than winning the ladder match did, but they never capitalised on it. Maybe they'll end up going to Tony's Ring Of Honor. 

I'm sure the ladder match will be a heck of a spectacle, especially with some smaller guys in there for the big fellas to throw around, but I'm definitely not as enthused by it as I was when we were looking at the prospect of a load of big lads having a ladder match. 

Edited March 5, 2022 by jazzygeofferz

[Infinity Land]

Why does Scorpio Sky get a TNT title shot on Wednesday instead of being the 7th person or qualifier to the 'Face of the Revolution' Ladder Match?

Hmmm..AEW get to sign PVZ to a contract. Seems like a pretty good deal to me if i'm TK.

Why did Fuego Del Sol get a 2nd TNT title shot after having his arse handed to him in the 1st title shot? Because Fuego put his car up as stakes. Seems like a nice promotional twist if i'm a booker.

Battle Royales, Casino or otherwise don't count against the rankings. So if i'm the number one contender why not double dip with your chances. Instead of a random Rampage or Dynamite that you're not guaranteed getting. You're getting a guaranteed PPV spot instead of a random Dynamite or Rampage. That's even if TK gets around to booking you in a title match while you're in the Top 5.

When the Full Gear World Title Eliminator took place Mox was #3 in the Rankings. Hangman was the number one contender with the booked title match at Full Gear. If Mox never entered the Eliminator tournament he might have been booked in something else, lost and then there's no title shot.

The concept of the TNT and TBS titles are that they are open to challenges. Those challenges still have to be accepted and booked by the promoter. Which has been what Dan Lambert has railed against in his interviews. That TK gives title shots to those he's mates with, rather than those that are deserving.

 

 

 

 

 

[Jazzy G]

14 minutes ago, Infinity Land said:

So if i'm the number one contender why not double dip with your chances. Instead of a random Rampage or Dynamite that you're not guaranteed getting. You're getting a guaranteed PPV spot instead of a random Dynamite or Rampage. That's even if TK gets around to booking you in a title match while you're in the Top 5.

If I'm number 1 contender coming out of a PPV I'm demanding a title shot at the next one, if not as soon after the last title defence as possible to capitalise on the champion having just had a title defence. Why risk injury in a battle Royale or a Rumble when I've already earned a place at the top of the rankings. And if I'm not getting a titke shot on the merit of being the #1 contender why do we have these rankings in the first place. 

What had Andrade and Darby put up against their title shot last night after they both lost their challenges? Have a week where people stick their names on a list, then after the sign up period put names in a hat for the TNT/TBS title, but if your name comes out and you lose, that's your shot until everybody has one or the title changes hands. One week the TNT title is defended and a name is drawn foe the TBS title, the following week its the opposite way around. With a draw on the go home Dynamite/Rampage before a PPV for both titles. Have an option to cash in that title for a world title shot after a certain number of successful defences. With a ladder match such as this have the winner get the guaranteed next shot, and the others go into the hat for a shot down the line. 

With the world/tag/women's title have your ranked contenders take part in either an elimination tournament (down to 😎 or a round robin from PPV to PPV, that way we can have big matches on Dynamite/Rampage every week. Have a battle royal or a Rumble every year, but use the rankings in this system ie the higher your ranking, the higher your draw in the Rumble.

[Infinity Land]

1 hour ago, jazzygeofferz said:

If I'm number 1 contender coming out of a PPV I'm demanding a title shot at the next one, if not as soon after the last title defence as possible to capitalise on the champion having just had a title defence. Why risk injury in a battle Royale or a Rumble when I've already earned a place at the top of the rankings. And if I'm not getting a titke shot on the merit of being the #1 contender why do we have these rankings in the first place. 

 

If they sit out, what matches are they competing in to retain their ranking? Take the Young Bucks winning the battle royale just there. Say they were #1 in the Rankings. They sit out Dynamite, Rampage, the PPV potentially. Then at the PPV there's a title change and the former champions are now #1 in the new set of rankings. Rankings aren't set in stone and are not a guarantee of anything.

 

1 hour ago, jazzygeofferz said:

What had Andrade and Darby put up against their title shot last night after they both lost their challenges? Have a week where people stick their names on a list, then after the sign up period put names in a hat for the TNT/TBS title, but if your name comes out and you lose, that's your shot until everybody has one or the title changes hands. One week the TNT title is defended and a name is drawn foe the TBS title, the following week its the opposite way around. With a draw on the go home Dynamite/Rampage before a PPV for both titles. Have an option to cash in that title for a world title shot after a certain number of successful defences. With a ladder match such as this have the winner get the guaranteed next shot, and the others go into the hat for a shot down the line.

There was interference in both Andrade and Darby title defenses. The banning people from ringside seems to be a make good kayfabe wise and handily enough a way to promote the PPV.

1 hour ago, jazzygeofferz said:

With the world/tag/women's title have your ranked contenders take part in either an elimination tournament (down to 😎 or a round robin from PPV to PPV, that way we can have big matches on Dynamite/Rampage every week. Have a battle royal or a Rumble every year, but use the rankings in this system ie the higher your ranking, the higher your draw in the Rumble.

The Casino Battle Royales for Men, Women, and Tag titles do seem to be just annual events. Since there's only a Top 5 at any one time that would make for a very short match.

We've seen the flaws with tournaments: Injuries/withdrawals. The two World Title Eliminators heading into Full Gear have seen people have to pull out.

[Jazzy G]

All I'm saying is it sometimes feels like the rankings and criteria selections for challengers to titles are a bit arbitrary rather than being related to the rankings, and it can fly in the face of your "more sports-like presentation". 

If your number 1 contenders are in line for their title shot they'll want matches to keep them sharp, tune up matches and things, which can help them maintain their spot in the rankings if need be, but they can also potentially be resting to keep things fresh at the top of the rankings, have a dip in form and drop down the list. There are ways and means of working these things out.