Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted December 7, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) The first PPV of 2021. Hopefully itāll be a better year than 2020. I know itās a bit of a way off yet and the card is definitely not complete but itās probably going to get a fair bit of discussion given whoās involved so letās get the ball rolling. Thereās been no official announcement of a location yet but Iām guessing theyāll probablyĀ be back on Fight Island. PPV MAIN CARDDustin Poirier vs Conor McGregor Dan Hooker vs Michael Chandler Jessica Eye vs Joanne Calderwood Andrew Sanchez vs Makhmud MuradovĀ Amanda Ribas vs Marina Rodriguez ESPN PRELIMSArman Tsarukyan vs Matt FrevolaĀ Brad Tavares vs Antonio Carlos Junior Julianna Pena vs Sara McMann Khalil Rountree vs Marcin Prachnio ESPN+/FIGHT PASS PRELIMSNik Lentz vs Movsar Evloev Amir Albazi vs Zhalgas Zhumagulov Ā Like I said, this isnāt it and that wonāt be the final bout order. I just wanted to whack this up so we can get talking about it.Ā I actually think most of whatās there so far is pretty good but it could definitely do with a co-main event. Iāve got a feeling we might get Justin Gaethje vs Michael Chandler in that spot but I donāt want to get my hopes up. As always, Iāll edit as and when thereās changes,Ā additions and cancellations. You know theyāre coming. Ā Ā Dustin Poirier vs Conor McGregor 2. OK then, thisāll probably be a long one.Ā Where do you even start with this? Seems like this has been talked about forever now but it finally got confirmed. The rematch is on. And with Khabibās recent retirement, who knows whatās going on with the vacant title butĀ these two must beĀ right in that mix now to snatch the gold at 155. The first fight feels like a lifetime ago now, doesnāt it? September 2014. UFC 178. These two were just trying to climb the ladder at the time. Poirier was 16-3, heād already had a couple of setbacks but was coming off some wins here. McGregor was 15-2 and riding a wave of momentum coming off that crazy Dublin show where he knocked out Diego Brandao. McGregor was catching on big time but Poirier was seen as his first real seriousĀ test. I was a big McGregor fan at the time, he hadnāt yet revealed himself to be a massive scumbag and he felt like a breath of fresh air and brought some real excitement into the UFC, at a time when it was badly needed. Him and Ronda Rousey both skyrocketing at the same time was probably the most fun the UFC has been since the 2006-10 boom period. The night arrived and McGregor vs Poirier was just the third fight on the main card. Mad to think now that Chris Cariaso headlined above these two but they were still on the rise. Despite being positioned in the mid-card though, this fight got the most buzz of any on the entire show. Easy. And itĀ was a pretty stacked event with names like Demetrious Johnson, Donald Cerrone, a debuting Eddie Alvarez, Yoel Romero, Dominick Cruz and Amanda Nunes scattered throughout. Granted, they werenāt all the big names theyād later become but it was still a ridiculously deep card. And these two were stealing all the limelight... I still vividly remember McGregorās detractors saying Poirier was going to expose him here and how McGregor hadnāt fought anyone. McGregor was talking shit, calling Poirier āPea Headā and forecasting a first round KO and his critics lost their head over the absurdity of it. āI donāt just knock them out, I pick the round.ā - Conor McGregorĀ AfterĀ 1:46Ā of the first round, it was indeed over. Heād called it, āMystic Macā was born. The goalposts got moved then though and the McGregor haters had now decided that Poirier was a āfavourable style matchupā and McGregor was being protected from the wrestlers of the division. You know the rest. McGregor went on to stop Dennis Siver and Chad Mendes before shockingly sparking Jose Aldo in 13 seconds to become the UFC Featherweight champion.Ā Things went a bit wonky after that and he spent the bulk of 2016 trading losses, wins and insults with Nate Diaz. But he closed out the year in style, moving to Lightweight and stopping Eddie Alvarez at Madison Square Garden to becomeĀ the UFCās first ever dual champion. In the meantime, Poirier had been rebuilding from that disastrous night against McGregor. Heād immediately moved up to 155 following that loss, made a fresh start and it was going well. He racked up 4 wins in a row but then hit another roadblock in the form of Michael Johnson, who knocked him stone dead in the first round. It was a devastating setback and youād have been forgiven at this time for writing off Poirierās chances of ever making realĀ waves in any title picture in the UFC. It just didnāt seem to be on the cards for him. 2017 rolled around and it was a big one for McGregor. Personally and professionally. With ups and downs in both. He became a father and seemed to be loving life. On top of that, he managed to bag himself a fight that had been rumoured for a while but seemed ludicrous and unlikely to ever realistically happen. But in August 2017, it fucking well happened. Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor. In a Boxing match. 48-0 vs 0-0. Mental. Weāre over 3 years removed from this circus now and I still canāt believe it actually materialised. That whole summer of buildup was off its tits. From the Paulie Malignaggi saga to that nutty series of press conferences to Brendan Schaub going on TV and saying with a straight face that Conor had way more power than Canelo. It was a total farce but one you couldnāt turn away from. Even the most vocal of people cacking all over it going in still had to tune in so they could comment how right they were after the fact. Not to mention it had the built in Boxing vs MMA thing and the tiresome debates that brings with it. It was an eventĀ I wouldnāt have missed for the world. But it was never going to be anything other than a W for Floyd and I was glad when it was over. Of course, like anyone else who faces Mayweather, McGregor bagged himself a colossal payday for that spanking. Depending on what reports you believe, he got somewhere in the region of $100 million. And swiftly and seriously went off the deep end. I donāt think I need to rattle off his laundry list of acting like a total bellend around that period, do I? From the Mayweather fight in August 2017, he never fought for 15 months. And from late 2017 on, he was constantly getting into trouble. At this time, the most serious sounding incident was when he reportedly gave some bloke a few digs in a Dublin pub and the old fella turned out to have links to the Irish mafia or something. I donāt know how much truth there was to that but there was talk of the Kinahan drug cartel demanding ā¬900K off him in compensation or heād basically disappear. Well, 3 years later heās still here so it was either a load of bollocks or he paid up. He returned to the UFC side of the news in 2018. Again making an absolute pillock of himself attacking a bus that time which led to the long awaited clash with Khabib. Where he again embarrassed himself by showing up all coked up at the press conference. Just look at the prick. By this point Iād gone right off him anyway and we hadnāt even had the worst headlines about him yet. But his most loyal fans were still licking his anus and were insisting Khabib was terrified after that cringefest of a press conference. āItās only business.ā - Conor McGregorĀ A beautiful night. Khabib vs McGregor finally happened in October 2018. And Khabib broke him up. Battered him, dropped him with a punch, grounded and pounded the bollocks out of him, had him audibly asking for mercy then made him tap. McGregor and his fans have tried their best to rewrite history as if he somehow came out with some kind of moral victory that night but he got fucking crushed and no amount of dressing it up changes that. And if you want any proof, just look at how McGregor unravelled in the aftermath of that defeat. He went quiet for ages and the only times youād hear about him at all was when he was up to no good. In March 2019 he announced one of his many retirements then just kept endlessly tweeting shite. When he wasnāt tweeting he was constantly getting himself into bother. Seriously, Iām sure you all remember that period where there was a new story every week of some crime or other heād committed. From relatively minor stuff like swiping some blokeās phone and smashing it up all the way up to sucker punching an old man for merely refusing a shot of his whisky... Then there was all that talk of him getting other women pregnant and stuff. Honestly, in mid 2019, barely a week wouldĀ pass without some scandal or other making the headlines. And then came the big one. The sexual assault reports. I still donāt know what was what with all that but there was so much of it going around at the time. Stemming from an alleged incident at a hotel in December 2018 and then another couple of reports of incidents in late 2019. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the MMA media and the likes of Ariel Helwani ignored all this and just kept retweeting McGregorās charity work and fight rumours. While this mess was going on, Poirier was again rebuilding himself andĀ went on the best stretch of his entire career from 2017 to 2019. He managed to string together a series of wins over Jim Miller, Anthony Pettis, Eddie Alvarez and Justin Gaethje. FOTN after FOTN. Crazy wars and FOTY contenders left and right. The Gaethje fight in particular was incredible. By the time 2019 rolled around heād got himself in a position to fight for the Interim Lightweight belt against Max Holloway whoād been on an absolute tear coming in. But Poirier put on a masterclass and took the decision in a tremendous fight. Maybe the single best overall performance of Poirierās career. I said at the time and I stand by it, I know Interim champs arenāt seen as proper champs but, as far as that goes, Poirierās was as legit as it gets without being the Undisputed strap. For the run heād been on, the work heād put in and the guys he beat, he had as real a claim to calling himself champion asĀ a lot of āproperā champs do. If not more.Ā āIn the words of Teddy Atlas, I knew I had 25 minutes to make life fair tonight. Nothing mattered. When Iāve been overlooked, knocked out, dropped fights in the past and had to climb back up. Nothing mattered but 25 minutes tonight to make life fair and be a world champion. I was willing to leave a piece of myself in there tonight, and I might have.ā - Dustin Poirier He was rewarded with a unification fight for all the gold. āRewardedā by being locked in the Octagon with Khabib Nurmagomedov. Of course, Khabib dominated him and the fairytale story was over for Dustin. But he didnāt embarrass himself by any means. McGregorās legal troubles basically got brushed asideĀ and he returned to the cage at UFC 246 in January 2020, āinvented shoulder strikesāĀ and bashed up Donald Cerrone in just 40 seconds. And right away the talk started about how this was the āreal, motivatedā Conor McGregor. Cack. This was simplyĀ McGregor vs Cerrone rather than McGregor vs Khabib. That wasĀ the difference. Not motivation or any of that. But the silly talk continued all year while McGregor teased comebacks that never happened. Poirier got back to winning ways in June with yet another FOTY candidate against Dan Hooker. Another amazing fight. Maybe second only to Zhang vs Jedrzejczyk in 2020. Donāt know how Poirier keeps doing it.Ā Somewhere along the line, McGregor got in touch with Poirier about doing a fight for Poirierās charity āThe Good Fight Foundationā. At first there was talks of it being a Boxing match, then a MMA bout, but it would have nothing to do with the UFC. Dana and co obviously werenāt having that so they got involved and here we are. What do we make of this one? Does it go any differently than it did back in 2014? Theyāve both improved and grown as fighters. McGregor has had his issues outside the cage and heās a massive cunt so Iām hoping he loses every fight from here on in. But purely looking at him as a fighter, he is undeniably incredibly skilled and he seemsĀ to have knuckled down more of late. On the face of it at least. There certainly hasnātĀ been the weekly reports of him getting in trouble lately like there was a year or so ago. He seems a bit more focused on his career again and style-wise, I think Poirier is one McGregor will always do well against. I hate admitting that but thatās how I see it. Poirierās a good dude and Iād be made up if he pulls it off, but I think itās another win for McGregor sadly and then weāll be hearing again how āheās backā and all that. Whatever happens it should be an entertaining fight however long it lasts. Ā Dan Hooker vs Michael Chandler is a late addition to the card and nowĀ ***WANDāS ONE TO WATCH***,Ā this isĀ exactly what this card was missing. It hasnāt been confirmed where this fight will sit yet but Iād assume itāll be the co-main event. Got to be. Tremendous fight. And it makes all the sense in the world to whack it on this card so that, in the event of Poirier or McGregor dropping out, youāve got a choice of two backups who are trained and on weight. Really great fight. The long awaited Octagon debut of former Bellator Lightweight kingpin Chandler.Ā He became a free agent over the summer and,Ā from the noises he was making in interviews, it was no surprise when it was announced in September that heād signed with the UFC. Interesting times ahead. Iāve said a few times on here that I think this move is coming a little bit too late for him. Heās 34 now, which is by no means ancient, but heās been in some battles and hadĀ some setbacks. I think the best time for him to do well in the UFCās 155 division wouldāve been around 2013/14 when heād have been competing with Pettis, Melendez, Bendo, Cerrone and his old pal Eddie Alvarez. I also felt like thatās when he was at his own best as well. I donāt think heās quite the sameĀ force now but you never know. OneĀ thing going for him is at least Khabibās retiredĀ now. His chances at UFC gold shot up massively when Khabib dropped that bombshell on us. In that sense, Chandler mightāveĀ accidentally timedĀ this jump to perfection. HeĀ certainly doesnāt seem to be lacking confidence... Hooker isnāt going to be rolling out the red carpet though. AndĀ he isnāt going to be an easy first fight in. Chandlerās getting no free passes here. Hooker is a scrapper, heās tough, heās dangerous and heās game for any kind of fight. Heās 20-9 now and coming off that aforementioned FOTY contender war with Poirier in June. He took a L there but he was on top form before that with wins over the likes of Paul Felder, Al Iaquinta, James Vick and Gilbert Burns. Heās no joke. A tough welcome for Chandler but these are the fights heās going to have to win if heās going to swim in the deep end of the UFCās Lightweight shark infested waters. Love this fight. Ā Jessica Eye vs Joanne Calderwood then.Ā Itās an alright fight but nothing special. Both are coming off losses and are sort of floundering in the Flyweight division at this point. I donāt particularly enjoy watching Eye fight. Iām still kind of invested though, just because Iām a fan of Calderwood and donāt really like Eye. So itās at least got a little bit of a babyface vs heel dynamic to it for me. Thereās been some Twitter beef in the past between these two as well. Something about Eye missing weight for a fight and JoJo having a pop as I recall. Needless to say Iām rooting for Calderwood in this one but my expectations arenāt especially high for the fight itself. Ā Andrew Sanchez vs Makhmud Muradov.Ā Was supposed to be Sanchez vs Andre Muniz but Muniz is out. This is a vast improvement. Muradov is someone well worth keeping an eye on. When he first signed with the UFC, the main talking point about him was that his career was being managed by none other than Floyd Mayweather. That was about the extent of the hype on him. But heās more than just āFloydās boyā. HeāsĀ 30 years old, from Uzbekistan and his record currently stands at 24-6 with 19 finishes. Iām not sure how far he can go but Iāve liked the look of him so far. He made his UFC debut in September 2019 and beat Alessio Di Chirico on points. Then in his next fight he followed that up with a devastating one punch KO on Trevor Smith... A crushing knockout. About as clean as it gets. Itās been a whole year and IĀ donāt think Smithās been seen or heard from since. Hopefully heās alright. But yeah, Muradov mightĀ be a real issue. A potential darkhorse in the Middleweight division in the not too distant future. Only problem now is he wasĀ inactive for all of 2020. He was scheduled for a fight or two that didnāt end up happening, including one with Kevin Holland that wouldāve been amazing. Just wasnāt to be. Hopefully he can crack on in ā21 and be more active.Ā Sanchez is 12-5 and coming off a nasty KO win over Wellington Turman in August. And heĀ looks like the lovechild of Luke Thomas and Gerald Meerschaert. Ā Amanda Ribas vs Marina Rodriguez.Ā This was originally supposed to be Ribas vs Michelle Waterson but Waterson pulled out. ItāsĀ a solid backup and couldĀ actuallyĀ be a more evenly matched and competitive fight but itās a bit shit for Ribas. Waterson wouldāve been a nice name to add to her resume. Rodriguez is arguably a slightly tougher fight but nobody really knows her. More risk, less reward. I think Ribas should win though. From what I recall of Rodriguez, sheās primarily a striker and not a devastating one.Ā Sheās 12-1-2 and the 3 blemishes were all againstĀ grapplers - a loss to Carla Esparza and draws with Cynthia Calvillo and RandaĀ Markos (who Ribas dominated).Ā Looking at the styles, I think Ribas should be too much for her on the ground.Ā I think Ribas is ace. In the cage sheās showing real potential. Sheās 10-1, sheās the only woman to date to beat Mackenzie Dern in MMA, beat Randa,Ā then pissed through Paige VanZant in 2 minutes in her last fight. Yeah, the opposition hasnāt always been stellar but sheās looked dominant. On top of that, out of the cage sheās constantly smiling and happy. Sheās got that JDS quality about her but she has a slightly nicer arse. Impossible to dislike. Stranger things have happened but Iād be a little bit surprised if Ribas doesnāt win this fairly comfy. Ā Arman Tsarukyan vs Matt Frevola.Ā WhatĀ a total mess this has been.Ā The original lineup had Tsarukyan vs Nasrat Haqparast and Frevola vs Ottman Azaitar. But Azaitar violated the health and safety protocol and had someone from outside the bubble enter Fight Island and heās gone. The fight is off and heās cut from the UFC. Absolute wally. He had so much potential as well and heās squandered it. And Haqparast was pulled from the card due to illness.Ā So this is the fight theyāve salvaged from it. Not a bad save, in fairness. IāveĀ been bigging Tsarukyan up as someone to keep an eye on for a while now. He got thrown right in the deep end in his UFC debut in 2019, taking on Islam Makhachev. And while he came up on the wrong end of a decision, it was a hell of a fight. One of the better grappling heavy fights in recent memory. Since then heās beat Olivier Aubin-Mercier and Davi Ramos and looked really good doing it. Heās 15-2 with 10 finishes and heās just turned 24. I think the sky is the limit with him. Heās got a tough testĀ inĀ Frevola here. Especially under the circumstances with the late switch in opponent and stuff. Itās not ideal for either man. Frevolaās aĀ Serra-Longo guy, 8-1-1 and coming off wins over Luis Pena and Jalin Turner. I like Frevola but heās up against it here. I think Tsarukyan has more upside and potential but weāll see what happens. Ā Brad Tavares vs Antonio Carlos Junior. Solid matchup this. Tavares has never been a real contender or anything but heās mixed with some of the best. The fact that heās gone the distance with Israel Adesanya (5 rounds) and Yoel Romero (3 rounds) tells you what a tough dude he is. Heās got some good wins on his record too like Lorenz Larkin, Thales Leites and Nate Marquardt. Heās not bad, heās just not elite. Carlos Junior is my guy here though. Always been fond of āShoefaceā. Ever since he won TUF Brazil years back. Comes across asĀ such a laid back,Ā good guy. Like a younger Demian Maia.Ā Seems like heās been around donkeyās years now but heās still only 30 years old. Heās had very mixed results in the UFC. He was on a nice little streak for a while but that hit a brick wall and now he comes into this fight off back-to-back points losses to Ian Heinisch and Uriah Hall. I donāt mind Tavares but Iām hoping Shoeface gets back on track here. Ā Julianna Pena vs Sara McMann got moved here from the Holloway vs Kattar card for some reason. Not in love with this matchup. I never really got on the Pena bandwagon. And there was a bandwagon at one time. I even remember some on here acting like sheād be the one to stop the Rousey reign. I recall people predicting sheād beat Valentina Shevchenko before their fight as well. Iāve just never seen it with her or rated her that much. Her last fight against Germaine De Randamie was decent, to be fair. But even then, she got submitted by a Dutch Kickboxer who supposedly had no ground game. Not the best look. I do like McMann but sheās 40 years old now and will have been inactive for a whole year by the time she steps into the cage here. I hope she wins but I donāt know how much longer sheās got in the game now. Sheās got a lot of miles on her when you factor in her amateur wrestling days as well. She won the Olympic silver medal over 16 years ago now, for fuckās sake! Ā Khalil Rountree vs Marcin Prachnio. Iām neither her nor there on this really.Ā Actually, wasnāt Rountree meant to be retiring ages ago? I remember that seemed really out of the blue when he first said he was hanging the gloves up but he has had a really hot and cold run in the UFC. Just look at his last 4 fights. Surprised everyone by knocking out Kickboxing ace Gokhan Saki, then gets wiped out by Johnny Walker. Bounces back with a Muay Thai masterclass over Eryk Anders,Ā then gets battered by Ion Cutelaba. He seems to have some raw skills but heās been unable to put it together into any kind of consistent series of performances. Heās 8-4-0-1 now, only 30 years old but heās already suffered a couple of heavy knockouts of late. Donāt know if heās changed his mind on retiring or what but if he losesĀ here itās probably a wrap. I recall sod all of Prachnio but I mustāve seen him. He had a successful stint in ONE but since debuting in theĀ UFC in 2018 heās gone a miserable 0-3 and been stopped all 3 times in the first round. Like I said, on paper he sounds tailor-made for Rountree to wallop but you never can tell when a fighter starts talking about retirement. Ā Nik Lentz vs Movsar Evloev.Ā Quite like this pairing.Ā Lentz wasĀ slated to face Mike Grundy on the Holloway vs Kattar card on the 16th but Grundy fell out andĀ here we are. Just as good a fight, if not better in my opinion.Ā Lentz is aĀ crafty veteran with a record ofĀ 30-11-2-1. Heās never been in that top level mix and heās lost pretty much every time heās stepped in with the contenders but heās had his moments. His series against Charles Oliveira was class, one of the forgotten trilogies in MMA. Evloev is a guy thatās kind of being going unnoticed a bit but he looks good. Heās 26 years old, 13-0 unbeaten, a real good wrestler, former M-1 Bantamweight champ. Heās looking like a bit of a handful but nobody is talking about him yet. Probably because heās got that silent assassin thing like most Russian fighters. And he hasnāt had a fight against anyone with anyĀ real buzz yet. To put it in pro wrestling terms, heās yet to getĀ āthe rubā. Good fight this. Iād like to see Evloev get the win just because thereās more upside there. Well, that and Lentz seems a bit of a dick. Ā Amir Albazi vs Zhalgas Zhumagulov. This was supposed to be on the Fight Night in late November but got moved here. Little bit of a mystery. Iāve read good things about both and the limited footage Iāve seen has backed that up. I just havenāt seen enough so itāll be nice to get a proper look at themĀ here. Albazi is 26 years old out of Sweden, 13-1 with 12 finishes and looked great submitting Malcolm Gordon with a sweet triangle choke in his UFC debut in July. He took that fight on short notice and it was one of those debuts that instantly gets your attention. Zhumagulov is from Kazakhstan, 13-4 with 7 finishes. Came up short in his debut at UFC 251 but does have wins over Tyson Nam and former UFC Flyweight title challenger Ali Bagautinov. Ā So thatās that for now.Ā Edited January 23, 2021 by wandshogun09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, wandshogun09 said: But Poirier put on a masterclass and took the decision in a tremendous fight. Maybe the single best overall performance of Poirierās career. I said at the time and I stand by it, I know Interim champs arenāt seen as proper champs but, as far as that goes, Poirierās was as legit as it gets without being the Undisputed strap. For the run heād been on, the work heād put in and the guys he beat, he had as real a claim to calling himself champion, if not more than a lot of āproperā champs do. Poirier wasĀ a better fighter at thatĀ time than anyoneĀ atĀ heavyweight, light-heavyweight andĀ possibly other divisions.Ā He was/is just unfortunate thatĀ he shares the same division as Khabib, Gaethje (who he holds a win over), and to a lesser extent Ferguson, all of which are/were P4P kingpins, so he doesn't always receiveĀ the credit he deserves.Ā That said, I haven't decided who I am picking between him and McGregor yet.Ā Edited December 7, 2020 by jimufctna24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I know we got the "he's back, baby!" chat after McG starched Cowboy, but I'm not reading all that much into that fight. Cerrone is a funny one for me. Sometimes he seems well up for it, but other times he seems mentally fragile, and in the build to the McGregor fight he was doing that thing where he goes out of his way to smile and be his opponents friend, as if he's just hoping he doesn't get smashed up too much. Basically, he just looked happy to be there. And that's usually when he loses. Poirier is a different animal altogether these days. I know McG has "the big left hand!!!!1!!1!!" and can put anyone away at any time, as we all witnessed in the Mayweather fight, but I don't see him coming out on top in this one unless he catches Dustin early. I think Poirier gets the stoppage via TKO late in the third or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevestofdeanambrose Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, David said: I know McG has "the big left hand!!!!1!!1!!" and can put anyone away at any time, as we all witnessed in the Mayweather fight.Ā Rent freeĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators neil Posted December 8, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 8, 2020 I'll be well upset if Poirier loses. I couldn't be more thirsty for him to win to be honest, both because I think he's a sound lad and a great fighter but also because I'm beyond tired of McGregor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted December 8, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) I really hope youāre right @David. Poirier is definitely made of different stuff to Cerrone. Itās definitely a harder fight. Should be a better gauge to tell us where Conor really stands these days. Iām leaning towards McGregor but if it becomes a war Iād definitely give Poirier the edge. Iām not sure McGregor has the same kind of fight in him that Poirier does ifĀ it gets really nasty in there. Iāve always felt like heās a bit of a front runner in that sense.Ā My main worry with Poirier is the insane shift heās put in over his last 10 fights or so. Just brutal.Ā At what point does that catch up to him?Ā Youāve got me doubting my prediction of a McGregor win now. Poirierās going to be, and has proven to be,Ā harder to put away at 155 than he was when he was cutting to 145. And while McGregorās power is often over exaggerated, it was most effective at 145. So I can see him being surprised here at the difference in how a bigger Dustin takes his shots.Ā Youāve gone and raised my hopes for aĀ Poirier win now so you best be right.Ā Edited December 8, 2020 by wandshogun09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) I mean, there's every chance he falls off a cliff during this fight, of course. But he's still only 31, and while he's been in some wars it's worth remembering that he has taken the best that the likes of Dan Hooker, Eddie Alvarez, and Justin Gaethje had to throw at him. When he fought McGregor last time he was 25 years old, fighting at featherweight and was fresh off a couple of wins over the likes of Akira Corassani and Diego Brandao.Ā This time he's 31, in his prime, and coming off a win over Dan Hooker and fights with Khabib and Max Holloway.Ā Totally different dude in my opinion. I think if he weathers the early storm that McG brings those first few minutes he'll slowly grind him down and take him out by the end of the third. If McGregor is going to win it'll be a first round stoppage I reckon. Beyond that first round his output and threat drops off considerably. Edited December 8, 2020 by David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted December 8, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 8, 2020 The other factor to take into account is that Poirier has been way more active. Since they last fought, McGregor's fought 8 times to Poirier's 13. Whilst it doesn't seem that much more, I'd say the quality of opposition both guys have faced renders that difference even more stark. They've both been fighting mostly top-level guys, with the edge to Poirier. Not to mention that McGregor's been dissolute in the intervening periods, whereas Poirier's most likely been very disciplined like he's had to be for an active fighting career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kfogg1991 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 well if ever there is a argument for a ufc ppv solelyĀ depending and relying on the main event then look no further folks!!!Ā You know full well that with this being headlined with Conor McGregor this will be put on box office and there is literally nothing else on this card anywhere near the calibre of this main event. As it's been said there is still time to build on this event but you have to bloody hope at the very least we get a fairly sizeable Co-main to go with itĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 McGregor is at his most dangerous in the early rounds, but he hasn't always been a front-runner.Ā In the rematch with Diaz, he adjusted wellĀ enough in the laterĀ rounds to eek out aĀ decision win. He also weathered the earlyĀ storm against Mendes and gradually wore him down with body kicks.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, Kfogg1991 said: well if ever there is a argument for a ufc ppv solelyĀ depending and relying on the main event then look no further folks!!!Ā You know full well that with this being headlined with Conor McGregor this will be put on box office and there is literally nothing else on this card anywhere near the calibre of this main event. As it's been said there is still time to build on this event but you have to bloody hope at the very least we get a fairly sizeable Co-main to go with itĀ Id say theres a very good chance of that not happening. Just go back and check the McGregor/Cerrone undercard. Dana knows its Conor and Conor only who sells the PPVs, and doesnt need to waste an extra few hundred grand on having a substantial co main. Ā The McGregor factor, and his die hard fans, are already at play with the odds. Hes currently a 2 to 1 favourate to win. Does anyone on this board see Poirier as a nearly 2 to 1 dog here? Doubt it. Id be very suprised to see Poirier at these odds nearer fight time, as I can see plenty of cash going on him closer to fight time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members WeeAl Posted December 8, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 8, 2020 I'm picking Poirier all day. These aren't the same men that fought in 2014. They aren't the same as if it had even happened in 2017.Ā Poirier by submission in the third or fourth. As long as Dustin gets out of the first 90 seconds, I don't think I would be even sweating it if I had him backed. Poirier will have to weather a heck of a storm early, but until he shows me he doesn't have that ability anymore, I'm going to believe that he does.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted December 8, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jimufctna24 said: McGregor is at his most dangerous in the early rounds, but he hasn't always been a front-runner.Ā In the rematch with Diaz, he adjusted wellĀ enough in the laterĀ rounds to eek out aĀ decision win. He also weathered the earlyĀ storm against Mendes and gradually wore him down with body kicks.Ā The short notice couldāve been a factor in howĀ the Mendes fight played out as well. I hear what youāre saying and the Diaz rematch is a decent example. But heās never really taken a beating and came back to win. And heās shown he can break when it gets really rough in there. Iām not just talking about the obviousĀ Khabib example either. It could be argued that theĀ factĀ he chose to shoot in on BJJ black-beltĀ NateĀ Diaz in their firstĀ fight after getting smacked around on the feet a bit was him basically admitting defeat. And even in his career as a whole, aside from thatĀ Diaz loss, when he loses a fight he generally disappears and goes off the rails. Which kind of suggests heās a bit weak there.Ā Again, not just the aftermath of the Khabib loss. Even very early in his career, he almost jacked MMA in after a loss and John Kavanagh had to go around Conorās mumās house and get him off the sofa. Heās unquestionablyĀ a highly talented fighter but, for all his bluster and talk of mental warfareĀ and stuffĀ like that, he doesnāt half have a habit of checking out when things donāt go his way. Poirierās the total opposite of that. Heās had some disastrous losses in his career. The typeĀ that would and haveĀ permanently derailed a lot of fighters. But he keeps bouncing back and refusing to fuck off. Reminds me of Bispingās careerĀ in that way. And thereās zero question of his ability to gut it out through adversity. The Gaethje fight being the best example of that. Gaethje fucking terrorised him in the early rounds of that fight. Busted his legs up andĀ rocked him a bunch of times to the point it looked like he was fighting a losing battle. Then he comes out in the 4th round, barely able to stand, and puts Gaethje away. Iām just not convinced McGregor has that next level of insane toughness he can tap into. If it becomes that kind of fight, at what point does a guy with all that money in the bank just think āSod. This! Iām gonna be in agony on my yacht tomorrow.āĀ Edited December 8, 2020 by wandshogun09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, wandshogun09 said: It could be argued that theĀ factĀ he chose to shoot in on BJJ black-beltĀ NateĀ Diaz in their firstĀ fight after getting smacked around on the feet a bit was him basically admitting defeat. I revisited that fight a while back.Ā I'm not sure whether he did break mentally. Rather, I think he may have blew his load earlier and gassed himself out. HeĀ used a lot of energy into stopping Diaz early on,Ā and his style consumes a lot of energy anyway. 19 minutes ago, wandshogun09 said: The short notice couldāve been a factor in howĀ the Mendes fight played out as well. Perhaps, but those front kicks take a lot out of a fighter. For example, Jon Jones wore down DC twice primarily with those kicks.Ā 31 minutes ago, wandshogun09 said: Iām not just talking about the obviousĀ Khabib example either. McGregor and Poirier both fared about the same against Khabib.Ā I don't think either broke mentally as such. In fact, both had their best moments only minutes before they were finished. I just think Khabib's grappling was too much for both of them.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 15 hours ago, Kfogg1991 said: well if ever there is a argument for a ufc ppv solelyĀ depending and relying on the main event then look no further folks!!!Ā You know full well that with this being headlined with Conor McGregor this will be put on box office and there is literally nothing else on this card anywhere near the calibre of this main event. As it's been said there is still time to build on this event but you have to bloody hope at the very least we get a fairly sizeable Co-main to go with itĀ I assumed that was the way the UFC operated now? The main event was the selling point, with a mildly interesting co-main, and boxing-esque shit undercard, no?Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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