Fall from grace

[Carbomb]

The whole thing with Will and Jada Smith reminds me of a similar situation, i.e. Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. Depp would be one of the biggest falls, in terms of public perception (it doesn't appear to have affected him much in terms of getting work); judging from what emerged from the court case, it's clear he and Heard brought out the worst in each other.

[Chest Rockwell]

Well, they're similar situations in that everyone involved seems to be awful and that a heavy dose of misogyny has been on open display in shaping the overall public opinion of those involved.

[FLips]

Antony Worrall Thompson wasn’t seen much after he got caught nicking from Tesco was he? He seemed to be everywhere at one point, I think Kay of Kay’s Cooking uses one of his pans but that’s all I’ve heard of him in forever.

[SuperBacon]

One I was reminded of the other day was Tulisa. Was on X-Factor and absolutely everywhere, then within a years span, an ex sold a sex tape of her, she got 'caught' by that fake sheikh nobhead for allegedly trying to sell them coke and was dropped by everywhere.

It always seemed really harsh for her to have to go through that all when she hadn't done anything wrong. Barlow was also a right twat to her on the show.

This was what reminded me, interesting read: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2026/aug/05/tulisa-contostavlos-interview-n-dubz-press-regulation-campaign-sun-on-sunday-sting

[Lorne Malvo]

22 minutes ago, SuperBacon said:

One I was reminded of the other day was Tulisa. Was on X-Factor and absolutely everywhere, then within a years span, an ex sold a sex tape of her, she got 'caught' by that fake sheikh nobhead for allegedly trying to sell them coke and was dropped by everywhere.

It always seemed really harsh for her to have to go through that all when she hadn't done anything wrong. Barlow was also a right twat to her on the show.

This was what reminded me, interesting read: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2026/aug/05/tulisa-contostavlos-interview-n-dubz-press-regulation-campaign-sun-on-sunday-sting

She was on I'm A Celeb* a few years back and came across really well. Seemed really grounded and down to earth and a good laugh.

*I don't watch it but my parents are obsessed - honest!

[wordsfromlee]

Lance Armstrong had his legacy pretty much erased after the doping scandal came out.

Graham Linehan torpedoed his career and personal life firmly into the ground.

Shia Lebouf was looking to become a big Hollywood name after being in Transformers and the Indianan Jones film but a string of controversies have seemed to stall that.

Lizzo is a recent one too. She released an album this year which is the first since all the allegations about her misconduct towards her staff, and it failed to chart in the US Billboard 200. So it seems like she's done.

I'm equally interested in the people who seem to be immune to it as well. Chris Brown being one. Loads of really bad shit about him keeps coming out all the time, but yet it doesn't seem to really effect his career at all.

[DavidB6937]

2 minutes ago, wordsfromlee said:

I'm equally interested in the people who seem to be immune to it as well. Chris Brown being one. Loads of really bad shit about him keeps coming out all the time, but yet it doesn't seem to really effect his career at all.

My mate's girlfriend was wearing a tshirt with his face on and I asked why she'd wear that and she said she didn't care as she likes his music. Apparently it's that simple.

[Carbomb]

56 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

Well, they're similar situations in that everyone involved seems to be awful and that a heavy dose of misogyny has been on open display in shaping the overall public opinion of those involved.

Yep, exactly that. In the specific context of the thread, it's definitely a massive fall from grace for Depp, considering where he started and where he ended up. 

[davertfnewman]

I think the same for Smith, as he and Depp were big stars and the respective wives weren't household names in the same way.

[SuperBacon]

6 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said:

My mate's girlfriend was wearing a tshirt with his face on and I asked why she'd wear that and she said she didn't care as she likes his music. Apparently it's that simple.

There is no way I'd condone Chris Brown as he's an absolute cunt, but some people don't care about what he did to Rihanna, and there's a line for everyone, and they've decided its not over their line.

It would be very reductive to point out people we all still watch or listen to in music, film, wrestling etc but there you go, we probably all still do.

 

[DavidB6937]

Just now, SuperBacon said:

There is no way I'd condone Chris Brown as he's an absolute cunt, but some people don't care about what he did to Rihanna, and there's a line for everyone, and they've decided its not over their line.

It would be very reductive to point out people we all still watch or listen to in music, film, wrestling etc but there you go, we probably all still do.

 

Oh for sure, we all make those choices. I like to think there's some (Ian Watkins) where there isn't a choice to be made but even then..

[Lorne Malvo]

10 minutes ago, wordsfromlee said:

I'm equally interested in the people who seem to be immune to it as well. Chris Brown being one. Loads of really bad shit about him keeps coming out all the time, but yet it doesn't seem to really effect his career at all.

It's slightly different as he was found innocent, but Craig Charles is known as Teflon Craig in my household. Even though he was acquitted, assault charges and drug possession/addiction would be enough to sink most celebs but he's still hanging around! 

[Cousin Jim Bob]

52 minutes ago, SuperBacon said:

There is no way I'd condone Chris Brown as he's an absolute cunt, but some people don't care about what he did to Rihanna, and there's a line for everyone, and they've decided its not over their line.

It would be very reductive to point out people we all still watch or listen to in music, film, wrestling etc but there you go, we probably all still do.

 

 

I've seen a number of arguments for why Chris Brown was never cancelled. I think one of the biggest ones is that he always had a huge, very young female fanbase, and loads of them hated Rihanna just for dating him. When the domestic violence incident happened, he lost quite a lot of them, but loads stuck around and were just happy they had broken up.

 

[Carbomb]

I mean, people still enjoy Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis despite their paedo tendencies, so it's not altogether surprising.