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Just now, Hannibal Scorch said:

I don't thinking calling someone an out and out liar is polarizing discussion

Seeing that people believe WWE are raping monsters and not agreeing with those people outright. That's what counts as polarizing over here, I guess.

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1 minute ago, Whistling Skull said:

Seeing that people believe WWE are raping monsters and not agreeing with those people outright. That's what counts as polarizing over here, I guess.

I don't think you understand the issues that people have taken with your views

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Just now, Hannibal Scorch said:

I don't think you understand the issues that people have taken with your views

Ofcourse I do. Why do you think I keep at it? Because it's an ufair stance to take. If someone's insulted by something I say to them, I can apologize. If something I state as a fact is incorret, I will stand corrected. 

 

What's happenign here is piling up on someone with an unpopular view. A view that is purely speculative. Just like the view that WWE must have had a hand in this and covering it up.

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29 minutes ago, Loki said:

I can relate to this totally.  For example, I work at an all girls' boarding school, and you'd be amazed at the number of times the girls' malicious personality disorders make them claim they "feel ill".

"Mr Loki, I don't feel so good" they say.  "Oh, dear, well just drink this and sit on those lovely pillows over there, and you'll feel so much better".  And they do, they always do feel better.

So I always take drunkenness into account when coming across someone.

Dude, what? I mean, I understand your story, but no, man, you got me all wrong. That is..wrong.

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3 minutes ago, Whistling Skull said:

A view that is purely speculative.

That's the fucking problem.

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1 minute ago, BomberPat said:

That's the fucking problem.

Any more speculative than "WWE probably got her raped and covered it up"?

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6 minutes ago, Whistling Skull said:

Any more speculative than "WWE probably got her raped and covered it up"?

Well, considering Jimmy Hart's blog recounting his experience of this tour states;

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We are all starting to feel the effects of the heat.  In order to deal with the hot climate, we are told to keep drinking water constantly.  Even then, sometimes the heat can overcome you.  At the next autograph session, Ashley begins to swoon. Our base escorts demand she be taken to the Medical Center, despite her protests to the contrary.

I'd say that, at the very least, "it sounds like she was probably drunk" - in direct contradiction of witness accounts - is considerably more speculative. I'd say "it sounds like she has a disorder", based on zero evidence, is considerably more speculative. 

As to the grislier details of the case, no, we don't necessarily have hard evidence, but we do have the account of a woman who was recently driven to suicide, and it's worth giving serious consideration to any potential contributing factors.

Whereas what you have is a gut feeling. If that.

So, yes, what you're doing is more speculative.

No one's saying you have to think every word of the affidavit is true. But when your reason for thinking it's not true is to invent a counter-narrative out of thin air, you can't expect for that not to be held up to some degree of scrutiny. 

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@BomberPatGonna read that and reply, but about to go into transit. Hang on a bit, you'll get a serious response.

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9 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

Well, considering Jimmy Hart's blog recounting his experience of this tour states;

I'd say that, at the very least, "it sounds like she was probably drunk" - in direct contradiction of witness accounts - is considerably more speculative. I'd say "it sounds like she has a disorder", based on zero evidence, is considerably more speculative. 

As to the grislier details of the case, no, we don't necessarily have hard evidence, but we do have the account of a woman who was recently driven to suicide, and it's worth giving serious consideration to any potential contributing factors.

Whereas what you have is a gut feeling. If that.

So, yes, what you're doing is more speculative.

No one's saying you have to think every word of the affidavit is true. But when your reason for thinking it's not true is to invent a counter-narrative out of thin air, you can't expect for that not to be held up to some degree of scrutiny. 

I didn't invent anything, man. But that being said, where/when is this from? Are there other accounts of that particular tour, that you've read about?

For the record, i think Jimmy Hart is a wonderful person and I do not think he'd lie about any of this. 

Ron Simmons says he don't know nothin'. Also a man i have a deep respect for.

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10 minutes ago, Joe_the_Lion said:

If all you have to contribute is shit jokes and name calling then feel free to head back into retirement. You can consider this an official warning btw. No need for your personal attacks, thanks.

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6 minutes ago, Chris B said:

Spoiler. You won't.

Aw man, I thought u were cool, dawg. Shit. SHIT!

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26 minutes ago, Whistling Skull said:

What's happenign´╗┐´╗┐ here is piling up on someone with an unpopular view. A view´╗┐ that is purely speculative. Just like the view that WWE ´╗┐must have had a hand in this and covering it up.´╗┐

I don't think anyone is piling on, apart from Joe trying to do some shit point scoring. Everyone else is only addressing your ideas and opinions, and not attacking you personally.

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2 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

If all you have to contribute is shit jokes and name calling then feel free to head back into retirement. You can consider this an official warning btw. No need for your personal attacks, thanks.

By the way, if you honestly feel like i've offended you personally or you've experienced something that you don't want to share, i am very sorry for what happened and did not mean to hurt you at all. That daid, I am very much enjoying the conversation.

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