Paid Members tiger_rick Posted April 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted April 25, 2016 Â What happened to Diego Sanchez? I remember him as a young, fresh faced fighter. Really talented. When you google him, the images are full of shots of him with his face absolutely battered. Never did fullfil his potential. Yeah, he fell in love with getting into wars. Which, on the one hand I love him for but on the other it's ruined his career. People think of Diego now as an unskilled wild brawler but he does have the skills as you say, he just neglects to use them now. Â If you go back and watch his fight with Nick Diaz from 2005 or his classic with Karo Parisyan from 2006, his skill is evident. They were both amazing fights and he showed a range of skills in both. But somewhere along the line he seemed to decide that to have a great fight you have to just stand and trade. And bleed. Lots. You'd never know watching him now that he was primarily an imposing grappler coming off his win on TUF 1. Â Don't get me wrong, I love the bastard. He's probably had more great fights than any other fighter on the roster. Or at least he's up there. He's been in some of my favourite fights ever. But it's come at fuck knows what cost. I dread to think what state he'll be in when he does finally retire. Â He's fighting Joe Lauzon at UFC 199 in June in what's probably going to be another crazy war where he bleeds buckets. He just can't stop himself. And worryingly, no-one else can either. Â Quality post, Wand, thanks for the reply. I've not seen a lot of Sanchez since TUF. Barely recognised him in most pictures. He looks like a scouser on a night out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members herbie747 Posted April 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted April 25, 2016 Paddy Holohan just retired, legit. Â https://www.facebook.com/paddyholohanofficial/?fref=nf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 McGregor probably did more media in the build up to that last fight than Messi's done in his career. The other points, apart from the "I'm retiring" stunt don't compare. We've no idea what concessions Barca make for Messi because it's Messi. Say, paying his wages to a shadow company based in the British Virgin Islands or something.  And how do Barcelona and Messi come to these agreements? Ah, that's right, by actually sorting it all out behind closed doors in a professional manner.  What they likely don't do is arrange for Messi to appear somewhere only for him to start throwing his toys out the pram on social media, making claims that he's retiring or issuing "statements" on his Facebook page.  As I've said, somewhere along the line Conor is getting some pretty bad advice by whoever is supposed to look after this shit for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted April 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted April 25, 2016  McGregor probably did more media in the build up to that last fight than Messi's done in his career. The other points, apart from the "I'm retiring" stunt don't compare. We've no idea what concessions Barca make for Messi because it's Messi. Say, paying his wages to a shadow company based in the British Virgin Islands or something. And how do Barcelona and Messi come to these agreements? Ah, that's right, by actually sorting it all out behind closed doors in a professional manner.  What they likely don't do is arrange for Messi to appear somewhere only for him to start throwing his toys out the pram on social media, making claims that he's retiring or issuing "statements" on his Facebook page.  Nah, his agent just makes sure all the British papers are carrying a "man City to pay Messi half a million a week" story and Barcelona lose their shit. The only difference is, McGregor does his own stunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016   McGregor probably did more media in the build up to that last fight than Messi's done in his career. The other points, apart from the "I'm retiring" stunt don't compare. We've no idea what concessions Barca make for Messi because it's Messi. Say, paying his wages to a shadow company based in the British Virgin Islands or something. And how do Barcelona and Messi come to these agreements? Ah, that's right, by actually sorting it all out behind closed doors in a professional manner.  What they likely don't do is arrange for Messi to appear somewhere only for him to start throwing his toys out the pram on social media, making claims that he's retiring or issuing "statements" on his Facebook page.  Nah, his agent just makes sure all the British papers are carrying a "man City to pay Messi half a million a week" story and Barcelona lose their shit. The only difference is, McGregor does his own stunts.  Nah? So, Barcelona and Messi don't come to these agreements behind closed doors then? You've veered off into another direction altogether there, Ricardo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted April 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted April 25, 2016 Eventually, yeah. But it's not all cosy chats in the boardroom. Peple are always looking for leverage. McGregor plays the game more honestly and openly than most. I like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Eventually, yeah. But it's not all cosy chats in the boardroom. Peple are always looking for leverage. McGregor plays the game more honestly and openly than most. I like him.  He plays the game honestly? There's a good chance that his latest Tweet was nothing more than a barefaced lie. I don't really see what's honest about that?  You're right, he is looking for leverage. And, it looks as though the whole stunt has backfired tremendously on him. He's looking as though he's managed to talk his way off the supposed biggest card of the year, managed to piss off the people who actually pay him, and went for broke in a power struggle with the UFC that he's looking like losing in front of the entire world.  I know his fanboys will quickly clamour to put a positive spin on everything, but if we're honest he's took a gamble and fucked it right up.  Rather than donning the trademark suit and sunglasses and taking his rightful place in front of the MMA media in Las Vegas to ramp up the interest in his big fight with Nate Diaz he was holed up in Iceland watching the presser on a laptop whilst posting on Twitter.  Ironically, he's managed to get the UFC 200 event trending on social, drawn a shitload of interest to the event on mainstream media and he won't even be on it to reap the benefit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted April 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited)   He plays the game honestly? There's a good chance that his latest Tweet was nothing more than a barefaced lie. I don't really see what's honest about that?  You're right, he is looking for leverage. And, it looks as though the whole stunt has backfired tremendously on him. He's looking as though he's managed to talk his way off the supposed biggest card of the year, managed to piss off the people who actually pay him, and went for broke in a power struggle with the UFC that he's looking like losing in front of the entire world.  I know his fanboys will quickly clamour to put a positive spin on everything, but if we're honest he's took a gamble and fucked it right up.  Rather than donning the trademark suit and sunglasses and taking his rightful place in front of the MMA media in Las Vegas to ramp up the interest in his big fight with Nate Diaz he was holed up in Iceland watching the presser on a laptop whilst posting on Twitter.  Ironically, he's managed to get the UFC 200 event trending on social, drawn a shitload of interest to the event on mainstream media and he won't even be on it to reap the benefit!   I'm not sure how you can't see this though? He's said in his statement he needs X/Y/Z to achieve his goals for his next fight, and if he isn't allowed those things then he's not fighting. This isn't a gamble, this isn't posturing, it's Mcgregor saying that if he can't do these things then there's no fucking point to any of it as he can't accept poor preparation this time around. Edited April 25, 2016 by lambyUK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUM Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 McGregor is the interest. UFC 200 trending or being mentioned in mainstream media only does it a favour if he is on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016   Eventually, yeah. But it's not all cosy chats in the boardroom. Peple are always looking for leverage. McGregor plays the game more honestly and openly than most. I like him.  He plays the game honestly? There's a good chance that his latest Tweet was nothing more than a barefaced lie. I don't really see what's honest about that?  You're right, he is looking for leverage. And, it looks as though the whole stunt has backfired tremendously on him. He's looking as though he's managed to talk his way off the supposed biggest card of the year, managed to piss off the people who actually pay him, and went for broke in a power struggle with the UFC that he's looking like losing in front of the entire world.  I know his fanboys will quickly clamour to put a positive spin on everything, but if we're honest he's took a gamble and fucked it right up.  Rather than donning the trademark suit and sunglasses and taking his rightful place in front of the MMA media in Las Vegas to ramp up the interest in his big fight with Nate Diaz he was holed up in Iceland watching the presser on a laptop whilst posting on Twitter.  Ironically, he's managed to get the UFC 200 event trending on social, drawn a shitload of interest to the event on mainstream media and he won't even be on it to reap the benefit!   I'm not sure how you can't see this though? He's said in his statement he needs X/Y/Z to achieve his goals for his next fight, and if he isn't allowed those things then he's not fighting. This isn't a gamble, this isn't posturing, it's Mcgregor saying that if he can't do these things then there's no fucking point to any of it and he can't accept poor preparation this time around.   Lamby, there's three whole months before the event. The press conferences are held now for that very reason.  You're telling me that the fight is announced on March 31st, taking place on July 9th, and he can't do media on April 22nd or whenever it was?  I didn't see anyone accepting the "poor preparation" chat when McGregor was starching dudes who had rolled into the cage with three weeks prep time rather than three months, so why does it apply now? In fact, anyone who even hinted at that being a factor was laughed out of town as simply being a "hater" or whatever.  Exactly how long does he need to prepare? Three months is pretty standard for a fight camp, isn't it? And that includes dates to promote the event and do photographs etc.  If Aldo get's KO'ed by Edgar will anyone seriously be thinking "fuck, that may be because he didn't have enough time to prepare. He shouldn't have attended those press conferences three months ago"?  Of course not, it's fucking ridiculous.  Look at McGregor's statement on his Facebook page.  "I am paid to fight. I am not yet paid to promote."  What does that say to you? It sounds to me as though he's saying "pay me more money and I'll happily show up for your promotional events", so I'm not sure I buy the idea that he suddenly realised after signing the bout agreement that he can't take time away from his training three months before the fight.  It was a power play, and it looks as though he's failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted April 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted April 25, 2016   You're telling me that the fight is announced on March 31st, taking place on July 9th, and he can't do media on April 22nd or whenever it was?  We've already been over a lot of the stuff you've asked David, but I'm just going to respond to this bit above. There's no need for me to tell you, Mcgregor has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Your intentionally missing the point here, Lamby. There's no point in discussing it any further because your choosing to focus on minute details rather than look at the bigger picture. Â Let's just wait and see what happens, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted April 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) Your intentionally missing the point here, Lamby. There's no point in discussing it any further because your choosing to focus on minute details rather than look at the bigger picture. Â Let's just wait and see what happens, eh? Â I would love to have a response, but I honestly don't know what you're talking about? Edited April 25, 2016 by lambyUK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 I actually agree with David's last sentence.  Let's see how it plays out. Later today should give us a fair indication as to how this affair has played out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 I would love to have a response, but I honestly don't know what you're talking about? Â Seriously? You read my detailed reply to you and you don't know what I'm talking about? Come on man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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