Paid Members Halitosis Romantic Posted August 8, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 8, 2011 I'll try to explain, because you're a good lad who's just got really wound up here. I disagree with statements like this  (your words)  but still talk about social ills because I'm trying to see this subject in a balanced way rather than black and white.  I don't believe either strictly in nature OR strictly in nurture. I know that how and where you grow up hugely informs your character, and yet I also know that there are plenty of young teenagers from Tottenham who WEREN'T rioting on Saturday night. Same background, but "not scum" to put it in the language of tabloids. I know people who came from rubbish inner-city schools and now leverage huge salaries and work at the highest levels of business whilst their school chums smoke cracks and go to jail.  Regardless of your circumstances, I believe every individual is personally responsible to society and that there is an unspoken (though possibly it should be codified) charter of social responsibility that parallels your human rights as it were. Things that you owe others as opposed to things that others owe you. And not burning down people's businesses would definitely be one of those responsibilities.  There's no excuse for what happened on Saturday. Perhaps a few of them were just caught up and followed the herd. But most of them weren't just rioting because they'd got a bum deal in life, they were rioting because they are absolute twats, and they deserve whatever punishment is meted out to them (within the parameters of the law, obviously). It's their schoolmates who didn't riot, and who have to continue to live in those areas that I reserve my sympathies for.  Treble top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildSybianRider Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 You've missed a chunk of the discussion, ghost. Â I've read all the way through. Your excellent earlier post (from another thread, I think) doesn't - to me - sit square with what you've gone on to say. Â Â If you acknowledge the cause and effect, is it not a higher-order good (or level of productivity, going by the thread) to tackle the cause? Whilst of course dealing with the effect, too - i.e. punishing twats. That's all Whiskey and bobbins are saying but they're getting attacked left and right for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buba3d Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 (edited) its kicked off again, in the hackney area  ladbrokes getting smashed up  cops attacked and buses attacked Edited August 8, 2011 by buba3d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Psygnosis Posted August 8, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 8, 2011 Hackney getting smashed up now, Ladbrokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members SpursRiot2012 Posted August 8, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 8, 2011 I heard that Hackney would be a flashpoint this morning, people were ringing other people and organising it. Â For some reason a load of the shops on Lordship Lane have their shutters down, don't know if they've had a specific warning or just taking precautions and the police are rushing up to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Halitosis Romantic Posted August 8, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 8, 2011 I heard about shit going down/about to go down in the Green Lanes area. Like Carbomb said, there is a strong Turkish gang presence there, I think there could be some REAL shit if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buba3d Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 (edited) ffs in america, the army would be called in to nuke the bastards, in the uk they get free bus passes.  jd sports broke into now  omfg a lorry carrying wood stops right at the protesters and now its been looted to attack the police. unreal Edited August 8, 2011 by buba3d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Teedy Kay Posted August 8, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 8, 2011 The Met need to desperately call upon the resources of other forces here, assemble one hell of Public Order team and wade in and stop this shit now. Â Further proof this country should've invested in Water Canons years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Psygnosis Posted August 8, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 8, 2011 According to the Beeb, the Police are using 'under-trained' or 'not fully trained' officers and recruits to try and control things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buba3d Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 a bus being smashed up now, this needs to be stopped now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Great footage on the BBC News channel right now. Pretty worried about people trapped in buses surrounded by thugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Teedy Kay Posted August 8, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 8, 2011 Yeah, Officers 'SHOULD' be Public Order trained to deal with this sort of thing, basic level is an 80 hour package that not a lot of Officers get. Â That'll be the sticking point, you'll find they're kitting everyone up in the gear to try and cope. V. Surprised the surrounding Forces haven't been called in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buba3d Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 ffs get the marksmen in there now, shoot the fuckers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Showtime Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Great footage on the BBC News channel right now. Pretty worried about people trapped in buses surrounded by thugs. Yeah I just switched over now. It's good TV, gotta admit. Get quite annoyed that so much news is London-based but I'm glad this shit doesn't go on in places closer to my heart. I like the idea of water cannons. Or maybe get Kurt Angle and his milk truck in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Halitosis Romantic Posted August 8, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 8, 2011 ffs get the marksmen in there now, shoot the fuckers  Step too far. Water cannons, tear gas, the whole 10CC package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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