Paid Members Egg Shen Posted March 24, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted March 24, 2011 well GSP's wrestling has been off the chain recently, but i was just saying that when matched up with a guy who is as poor a striker as Shields is...i don't even think GSP will attempt to grapple with Shields, he doesn't need too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 well GSP's wrestling has been off the chain recently, but i was just saying that when matched up with a guy who is as poor a striker as Shields is...i don't even think GSP will attempt to grapple with Shields, he doesn't need too. I totally agree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 30, 2011 Author Share Posted March 30, 2011 well GSP's wrestling has been off the chain recently, but i was just saying that when matched up with a guy who is as poor a striker as Shields is...i don't even think GSP will attempt to grapple with Shields, he doesn't need too. I think he'll know that if anyone can catch him in a sub on the floor, it's Jake, so he'll want to keep the fight standing I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Deaq Posted March 30, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted March 30, 2011 well GSP's wrestling has been off the chain recently, but i was just saying that when matched up with a guy who is as poor a striker as Shields is...i don't even think GSP will attempt to grapple with Shields, he doesn't need too. I think he'll know that if anyone can catch him in a sub on the floor, it's Jake, so he'll want to keep the fight standing I think. Â I have a feeling it could be GSP vs Kos all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostface1982 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 well GSP's wrestling has been off the chain recently, but i was just saying that when matched up with a guy who is as poor a striker as Shields is...i don't even think GSP will attempt to grapple with Shields, he doesn't need too. I think he'll know that if anyone can catch him in a sub on the floor, it's Jake, so he'll want to keep the fight standing I think. Â I have a feeling it could be GSP vs Kos all over again. Thats the way I think it's gonna go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted March 30, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted March 30, 2011 I can see it being like the 2nd Kos fight too. But at least Kos had the cardio to go 5 rounds and a possible threat of an overhand right. Shields offers pretty much no danger on the feet to GSP. Â Plus Shields' cardio is in question after his last fight. I know there was talk that Shields was injured going into the Kampmann fight so that could be why he gassed so quick but I'd still give GSP a big advantage in conditioning over a long fight. Â I reckon GSP will adopt the Kos strategy for a couple of rounds, jabbing and sprawling, and then go in for the kill and probably take him out in round 3 or 4. Â If Shields can find a way to get GSP down early he has a shot but GSP has some of the best takedown defence in MMA..it's gonna be tough. Shields could quite possibly gas himself out trying for the takedown. And even if he gets him down submitting GSP won't be easy either. Â Stylistically this is a terrible match for Shields IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Milano Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I can see it being like the 2nd Kos fight too. But at least Kos had the cardio to go 5 rounds and a possible threat of an overhand right. Shields offers pretty much no danger on the feet to GSP. Plus Shields' cardio is in question after his last fight. I know there was talk that Shields was injured going into the Kampmann fight so that could be why he gassed so quick but I'd still give GSP a big advantage in conditioning over a long fight. From what I remember Shields had no cardio issues in the fight before this with Dan Henderson, went five rounds with him and took an absolute pounding (including being dropped twice) in the first round. Don't see cardio being a problem for Shields, but would give GSP an edge in this however well conditioned Shields comes in. Don't think Shields will defeat him due to his lack of stand up, but I'll be rooting for him in this anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Has GSP fought anyone with as good a submission game as Shields? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Milano Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Has GSP fought anyone with as good a submission game as Shields? Guessing it all comes down to how you rank Shields' submission game. Serra and Penn are the only two that spring to mind, although I can't remember the last time (if ever) I actually saw Serra submit someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted March 31, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted March 31, 2011 i wonder how different the build up to this would have been if the Shields/Kampmann fight hadn't happened...would have a proper title vs title fight (i know technically thats stil the case), but although the event is going to be massive, that Kampmann fight has definately done some serious damage to the buzz surrounding it for the die hards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Deaq Posted March 31, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted March 31, 2011 i wonder how different the build up to this would have been if the Shields/Kampmann fight hadn't happened...would have a proper title vs title fight (i know technically thats stil the case), but although the event is going to be massive, that Kampmann fight has definately done some serious damage to the buzz surrounding it for the die hards. Â For it to be a real title vs title fight would Shields not need to be fighting Anderson Silva at middleweight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted March 31, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted March 31, 2011 well kind of, but Shields was a legit. world champion...it's similar to the situation as when BJ challenged GSP. Â I'm just saying that if Shields had vacated the Strikeforce title and came in and challenged GSP straight away they could have sold it as this beast 185 champion from Strikeforce coming in to challenge GSP, fans would have shit their pants...i think the Kampmann fight destroyed any kind of aura that Jake Shields had thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'm not quite sure why they didn't just give Shields a titleshot straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted March 31, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted March 31, 2011 i think the plan was originally to have Shields come in, walk through a top contender then get the title shot...it's kind of happened other than the walk through part, because many believe Shields lost the Kampmann fight, he looked awful regardless. Â I'm sure Dana's reasoning for this is that if Shields had come in, fought GSP straight away and won it would have made Strikeforce's title outvalue the UFC title...now that Shields has a UFC win, he's seen more as a UFC fighter, get what im saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted April 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 I can see it being like the 2nd Kos fight too. But at least Kos had the cardio to go 5 rounds and a possible threat of an overhand right. Shields offers pretty much no danger on the feet to GSP. Plus Shields' cardio is in question after his last fight. I know there was talk that Shields was injured going into the Kampmann fight so that could be why he gassed so quick but I'd still give GSP a big advantage in conditioning over a long fight. From what I remember Shields had no cardio issues in the fight before this with Dan Henderson, went five rounds with him and took an absolute pounding (including being dropped twice) in the first round. Don't see cardio being a problem for Shields, but would give GSP an edge in this however well conditioned Shields comes in. Don't think Shields will defeat him due to his lack of stand up, but I'll be rooting for him in this anyway.  Yeah I don't think he's had a lot of cardio issues in the past. I'm just going on the Kampmann fight cos that's his most recent fight. He did look great against Hendo but that was at 185, he doesn't have to cut much weight at all to make MW. His last fight at 170 he gassed and that was a 3 rounder, he's never gone 5 rounds at 170.  I could be wrong but I could swear after the Kampmann fight the reasons given for him tiring so quickly were he was possibly injured coming in and/or he'd had a bad weight cut.  The point I was making was that there's no doubt GSP will be in shape for a 5 rounder, he's proven that time and again. We don't know the same about Shields and after gassing in his last fight and the fact he's gonna have to relentlessly try and take GSP down which would tire most guys out anyway, I have my doubts.  Like you say though, however well conditioned Shields is it's gonna be a tough fight. It's crazy to think how he's such an underdog when you consider we're talking about a guy who hasn't lost in like 6 years.  As good as Shields is, I honestly don't see how he wins this one. He's better than GSP in one area but he's gotta get him down and keep him down for that to matter, which is something even Fitch and Koscheck couldn't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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