The Gaffer Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago Orange ring ropes and Jamie Hayter as Daphne. 10/10 episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted 16 hours ago Author Share Posted 16 hours ago 24 minutes ago, RedTwoster said: Am I being pedantic by suggesting they made a mistake by not main eventing with the Private Party win? They wanted to do The Young Bucks angle, I get that - but that didn’t feel essential; and they could have still done a version of that if they really wanted (minus The Bucks leaving) and played on the idea of what happened to Cutler playing on their minds as the match got underway. Or they could have run the angle on Collision or Dynamite next week. It’s been a while since we had a feel-good ending on Dynamite, and seeing Private Party ascend to the top of the tag division after all this time would have been the perfect way to give us that. They’ve been on a long journey, and at points it seemed unlikely that they’d ever reach this point - I certainly wouldn’t have put money on it even a year ago. I dunno, I just feel like it deserved a better placement on the show. That was my only disappointment really with the show. I thought they did a great job with so many things but yeah, definitely felt like that could've been a better placement of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Duke Posted 16 hours ago Paid Members Share Posted 16 hours ago 28 minutes ago, RedTwoster said: Am I being pedantic by suggesting they made a mistake by not main eventing with the Private Party win? They wanted to do The Young Bucks angle, I get that - but that didn’t feel essential; and they could have still done a version of that if they really wanted (minus The Bucks leaving) and played on the idea of what happened to Cutler playing on their minds as the match got underway. Or they could have run the angle on Collision or Dynamite next week. Yeah, I think so. Well, not pedantic, but I think if you're going to have the debut of a main event act destroying one of your recent world champions and then taking out a load of security, it probably needs to close the show. The tag team belter, by comparison, was put at the end of the first hour to keep people from switching over. No idea whether it'll work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted 16 hours ago Paid Members Share Posted 16 hours ago 1 hour ago, RedTwoster said: Am I being pedantic by suggesting they made a mistake by not main eventing with the Private Party win? Not pedantic no. But I don't think Private Party is really that big feel good ending you suggest. This angle is a bit rushed and I don't feel like the fans are really behind them like they would have been in the past for a team like Best Friends and this Bucks reign hasn't really had much steam behind it. It belonged in the midcard spot it was given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTwoster Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 36 minutes ago, Duke said: Yeah, I think so. Well, not pedantic, but I think if you're going to have the debut of a main event act destroying one of your recent world champions and then taking out a load of security, it probably needs to close the show. The tag team belter, by comparison, was put at the end of the first hour to keep people from switching over. No idea whether it'll work. I dunno, I think you could have opened with Lashley - and used him as an incentive to keep the show interesting, maybe have Lashley do what he did and have Excalibur breathlessly say after he leaves that they will ‘of course’ try to get comment from MVP and Lashley during this broadcast, then during a match confirm this is indeed going to happen, and have him deliver the closing promo in a backstage interview. 1 minute ago, LaGoosh said: Not pedantic no. But I don't think Private Party is really that big feel good ending you suggest. This angle is a bit rushed and I don't feel like the fans are really behind them like they would have been in the past for a team like Best Friends and this Bucks reign hasn't really had much steam behind it. It belonged in the midcard spot it was given. I think you’re right in your assessment of Private Party - but it’s very rare that you have a tag title journey like this one, a 5-year journey to the top. I mean, heck, I don’t think it’s harsh to say there are times at which no one would have batted an eyelid had Private Party been released. I think placing it in the main event spot of such a newsworthy show would have given it the gravitas the build-up maybe lacked, and it would have felt like an even bigger moment based on its positioning. It would also have elevated Private Party that little bit further. I don’t think it’s a massive fail, don’t get me wrong - but I think we’re due a feel good ending on Dynamite, and the circumstances surrounding this win would have made this a really nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Duke Posted 15 hours ago Paid Members Share Posted 15 hours ago 3 minutes ago, RedTwoster said: I dunno, I think you could have opened with Lashley - and used him as an incentive to keep the show interesting, maybe have Lashley do what he did and have Excalibur breathlessly say after he leaves that they will ‘of course’ try to get comment from MVP and Lashley during this broadcast, then during a match confirm this is indeed going to happen, and have him deliver the closing promo in a backstage interview. Yeah I mean you certainly could've done. Not sure if that's a much better option than what they did, and I don't think they wanted to build the whole show around Lashley. Quote a 5-year journey to the top. It's not really though. It's a 1 month journey to the top after the Moxley Crue murdered them. I know they tried to present it that way, but it's hardly Kofi Kingston. I'm pleased for Private Party, and I think changing the belts is the right call because now every match option is fresher, and I don't think it'll do the Bucks any harm going away for a little while, but it's definitely a rushed change, in the scheme of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted 15 hours ago Paid Members Share Posted 15 hours ago I think putting it in the main event would have signposted the ending. And I'm not convinced Private Party have quite been main event level on a fairly busy card - although I think they are now, if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTwoster Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, Duke said: It's not really though. It's a 1 month journey to the top after the Moxley Crue murdered them. I know they tried to present it that way, but it's hardly Kofi Kingston. It wasn’t a continual climb to the top - and the storytelling could certainly have been better, but it was still a 5-year-journey. It’s a team that appeared on the first episode, had an early win against the Bucks and utterly floundered. As I said, at various points it seemed more likely that they’d be released than win tag gold in AEW. 2 minutes ago, Chris B said: I think putting it in the main event would have signposted the ending. And I'm not convinced Private Party have quite been main event level on a fairly busy card - although I think they are now, if that makes sense. I’m not sure that’s a bad thing as such - although you could argue the stipulation of PP splitting up if they lost already did that. I think the match was good enough that you’d feel the doubt creep in even if you’d been relatively confident of the outcome ahead of time. I did think it was a good show - I was just in the mood for a positive ending for a change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted 15 hours ago Author Share Posted 15 hours ago I think for me putting it as the main event and a memorable ending would've just given it a little more oomph. I agree that they're not quite there but I think if you treat it like they are then that often helps, if that makes any sense. Obviously the problem was needing to treat Lashley as a big deal too. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with the Lashley placement. It was just a shame it had to happen on a show where the tag stuff could've done with the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted 15 hours ago Paid Members Share Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, RedTwoster said: Am I being pedantic by suggesting they made a mistake by not main eventing with the Private Party win? They wanted to do The Young Bucks angle, I get that - but that didn’t feel essential; and they could have still done a version of that if they really wanted (minus The Bucks leaving) and played on the idea of what happened to Cutler playing on their minds as the match got underway. Or they could have run the angle on Collision or Dynamite next week. It main evented last week and absolutely shat the bed in the ratings - and, if you ask me, in terms of match quality too; this week's match was far, far better. I would have liked more follow-up on Private Party. It's an odd thing when the losers of a match get the focus and the winners don't; yes, they got a celebration, but a little pre-match promo wouldn't have gone amiss. Or some indication that the angle with Stokely sniffing around them hasn't been dropped. A quick post-match interview or promo would have been enough. I think the Lashley debut had to close the show, though. If only because once Swerve vs. Shelton was booked it was pretty obviously coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted 15 hours ago Paid Members Share Posted 15 hours ago "Great to have you back, Adam. What shall we do in the match tonight? "I'll sell the ankle for ages." "Makes sense. Then what?" "The doctor tries to stop it and I consider giving up." "Ooh, laying it in thick. What next?" "I throw a bunch of kicks." "Erm... OK?" "Then I do my finisher." "Remind me again how that works." "It's basically a sunset flip but, for no obvious reason, I jump off the second rope first, landing with all my weight and momentum on my feet." "So, almost exactly what you did when you broke the ankle?" "Yup." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted 14 hours ago Paid Members Share Posted 14 hours ago Adam Cole is always going to Adam Cole. He gets so close to getting it sometimes then he move spams, no sells and NXT shocked face his way back in the toilet. I think Matthews actually showed something in this match though. I'd chuck him in the Continental Classic this year and see what he brings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTwoster Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 4 minutes ago, LaGoosh said: Adam Cole is always going to Adam Cole. He gets so close to getting it sometimes then he move spams, no sells and NXT shocked face his way back in the toilet. I think Matthews actually showed something in this match though. I'd chuck him in the Continental Classic this year and see what he brings. There was a spell in WWE where Matthews had a run of great matches (including one with Roman Reigns), and they started billing him as Smackdown’s best kept secret (or something like that). He’s obviously got ability, but it’s been easy to forget that during his time to forget that. Cole is someone I find very likeable outside of wrestling, but as soon as he steps in a ring I want to change the channel. It’s a shame, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDM Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago I haven't seen yesterdays dynamite yet. So if there were more signs this will happen I apologise if it has become obvious. Does anyone think orange casidy may turn heel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted 13 hours ago Paid Members Share Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, BomberPat said: main evented last week and absolutely shat the bed in the ratings - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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