Keith Houchen Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, LEGIT said: To me that doesn't make a difference either way. If someone says something offensive, it's offensive. And he did. I just think the reaction to said statement has been overblown. I don't. Â He used his platform and privileges that come with his decades of being top in his field to say his weird thought. Â You honestly don't see a difference between him broadcasting his thought to his listeners who pay for the privilege and him saying it in passing? Â Either way, your comparison of situations is still cobblers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted August 17, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted August 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, LEGIT said: To me that doesn't make a difference either way. If someone says something offensive, it's offensive. And he did. I just think the reaction to said statement has been overblown. No it hasn't. He's the most prominent wrestling print journalist of his generation. His words carry weight and influence. The criticism has been entirely appropriate and justified. The volume of words one says or writes is utterly irrelevant as well and if you can't see why that's such a gormless statement then I think that says a lot about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 I wonder how much of this is like the Corbyn anti Semitism row. Â I believe there are many people embroiled in it who don't give a fuck about anti semitism in the slightest but are using it as a stick to beat a figure they hate. Â Much like the way some people become animal rights and feminism campaigners when it's used against Islam. I think there are people who couldn't give a fuck about the objectification of women in wrestling but because Dirty Dave is on the receiving end, and they don't like him, it's become the hill they'll die on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGIT Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: I don't.  He used his platform and privileges that come with his decades of being top in his field to say his weird thought.  You honestly don't see a difference between him broadcasting his thought to his listeners who pay for the privilege and him saying it in passing?  Either way, your comparison of situations is still cobblers. I think he's been airing his opinion longer than I've been alive. It's inevitable he says something wrong. That doesn't mean that's okay, because he's obviously in the wrong. I don't think he's a misogynist though. He was particularly critical of WWE in Saudi. I think he's naive and it took him a while to realise the offence he caused. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and not hang him out to dry because I don't like his ratings system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, LEGIT said: I think he's been airing his opinion longer than I've been alive. It's inevitable he says something wrong. That doesn't mean that's okay, because he's obviously in the wrong. I don't think he's a misogynist though. He was particularly critical of WWE in Saudi. I think he's naive and it took him a while to realise the offence he caused. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and not hang him out to dry because I don't like his ratings system. That is your prerogative and is totally fair enough.  I still don't agree with your comparison of his paid for opinions for a radio show with an agenda to cover and an every day person chewing the fat with a mate though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTonetta Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Metlzer being called sexist is hilarious. He's just a bit autistic and naive as a poster said above. Now he said sorry, let's all move on, shall we? Or are we gonna hold this against him for the rest of his life? We are, aren't we? Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted August 17, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, TheTonetta said: He's just a bit autistic That's an instant twat indicator right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted August 17, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted August 17, 2018 This isn't my opinion SO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGIT Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: That is your prerogative and is totally fair enough.  I still don't agree with your comparison of his paid for opinions for a radio show with an agenda to cover and an every day person chewing the fat with a mate though. That's a totally fair response and I respect what you've had to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTonetta Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: That's an instant twat indicator right there. I'm autistic, so don't even go there. Twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGIT Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 30 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: No it hasn't. He's the most prominent wrestling print journalist of his generation. His words carry weight and influence. The criticism has been entirely appropriate and justified. The volume of words one says or writes is utterly irrelevant as well and if you can't see why that's such a gormless statement then I think that says a lot about you. But Gladders, you pop out the woodwork anytime anyone says anything offensive and look to stick the knife in. How I feel about the severity of Dave Meltzers statement on a female wrestler says nothing about me as a person. You don't know me in any way. Stop logging on here to condemn people, to tag people as things, to take the moral high ground and look down on anyone giving anybody the benefit of the doubt. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Stick to critiquing movies (which you're very good at.)Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted August 17, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted August 17, 2018 @TheTonetta - many apologies, didn't know it worked like gaydar. @LEGIT - I wasn't talking about the respective severity of Meltzer's statement one way or the other, I was talking about this idea that once someone has written or spoken a certain amount of words that they're due a sexism storm. Which I still maintain is a completely ridiculous thing to say no matter how much you butter me up about my awesome film taste or misidentify me. You wouldn't catch me doing that about someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGIT Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: @TheTonetta - many apologies, didn't know it worked like gaydar. @LEGIT - I wasn't talking about the respective severity of Meltzer's statement one way or the other, I was talking about this idea that once someone has written or spoken a certain amount of words that they're due a sexism storm. Which I still maintain is a completely ridiculous thing to say no matter how much you butter me up about my awesome film taste or misidentify me. You wouldn't catch me doing that about someone So we're not talking about the severity of Meltzer's comments. That's fine. But rather we're disagreeing over the likelihood of someone who's been airing their opinion for over 30 plus years making a stupid mistake. That's cool too. I'm happy to disagree over that. I got off lightly. You didn't call me a twat, idiot, rape apologist, racist or sexist. Thanks man. Maybe you can come over my flat one time, I'll let you pick the film seeing as you have great taste. I'm not going to butter you up though, that's gross, there's far more hygienic lubricants. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted August 17, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted August 17, 2018 Settle down Maria Schneider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted August 17, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted August 17, 2018 He's been around wrestling for about 30-odd years now. His mates are noted feminist Paul Heyman, Chris Cheaty Jericho, Ric Flair of all people, Creepy Foley, Mad Old Cunt Cornette and Porn Hound Jim Ross. If those are your prime sources, you are basically getting moulded into someone with questionable opinions on the female gender. Now on the other hand, do the WWE wrestlers who are coming out and slagging him off actually sticking up for the person he said this about? Probably not. They're probably getting their digs in for stuff he's said in the past, or to be the first to poke the dead body to look mint in front of their fake friends on twitter. Like that daft shite MVP turning it into a soap box where he said all critics are useless and arent needed inthe culture. Fuck off. What's that got to do with anything, apart from exposing you as very thin skinned about your own work and very dumb? But, wrestlers are attention seeking goons, so that's not news. But Meltzer is totally in the wrong, and if anyone dug into his archives its not the first time. Chyna and Sable used to get bombs from him for their changing appearance. The male workers, he was known for giving them snide little nicknames regarding their weight or their look. Alvarez is even worse. He's a fucking pig when reviewing shows (or at least he was since I haven't heard his shows outside Meltzer's audio in years.) I heard the Peyton Royce thing and to me it was just "here he goes again." I was surprised it blew up, considering how regular this has been since the 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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