jimufctna24 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Another thing that would have given Ronda an inflated sense of invincibility with her striking is the way she disposed of Bethe and McMann. Of course, there was merit to those performances. They were great. It's unfair to completely pick apart Ronda's career in hindsight. However, those performances probably gave her confidence that she was covering all the bases, when hidden underneath it all, she probably should have been looking elsewhere to improve her striking. The warning signs were always there. Edmond's record as a coach is wretched according to the article on the previous page.  I get what EBB means though. Ronda probably was a deer in the headlights against Nunes. The fights in her career had only gone one way before the Holm fight, barring a few very brief shaky moments in the Tate fights. But I think Edmond might be partially responsible for that mindset. The logic that Herbie lays out about sparring partners taking it easy on her makes sense. It seems possible that Edmond treated Rousey with nothing but positive reinforcement (again, I refer to his cornering during the Holm fight) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Even with the Bethe fight, I was kinda watching through my fingers. The way Ronda was swinging wildly, like she was in a bar fight, I was thinking, "what the hell is she doing? A decent counter punch would put her out!" Then, of course, she sparked her, but it could have easily gone the other way. Zero defense or caution, just looking to take her head off. Super emotional performance too, and we saw what the emotional/mental factor did to Rousey in her next two fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Even with the Bethe fight, I was kinda watching through my fingers. The way Ronda was swinging wildly, like she was in a bar fight, I was thinking, "what the hell is she doing? A decent counter punch would put her out!" Then, of course, she sparked her, but it could have easily gone the other way. Zero defense or caution, just looking to take her head off. Super emotional performance too, and we saw what the emotional/mental factor did to Rousey in her next two fights. Yeah, my eyebrows were raised during the opening exchange. However, after the knockout, I took it that she knew she could take those risks, as she had little respect for Bethe's striking. Maybe I was giving her too much credit, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members herbie747 Posted January 4, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 4, 2017  Who knows... If she was sparring against 4 different partners, then they weren't hitting her. And she's obviously easy to hit; so they were either instructed to go easy or were afraid of her storming off in a huff if they tagged her, & them not getting paid for a full camp if she wanted them gone. That seems likely - they're getting paid a few grand to be a sparring partner for 8 weeks. Day 1 Rhonda gets cracked proper in the nose, and they're gone the next day. So they take it easy on her - make her think she's invincible. That's still Edmund's fault IMO. hang on Herb, you've just completely made that up and still pinned it on Edmond  lol - I started by saying "who knows". But my point was that no matter what the facts actually are, he is to blame at least 50%. His job is to train her on boxing, and to run her camp - he's her head coach. He failed at both. I just threw out some possible scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 4, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 4, 2017 Ronda is definitely surrounded by "Yes Men" so to speak, i fully believe that she got lulled into some kind of false sense of security before the Holm fight and was lead to believe she may actually be invincible. Ronda was on the cover of Ring Magazine around that time for fuck sake, Joe Rogan (sorry to keep bringing him up) was stiff as a board talking up Ronda's hands...not just him either, near enough the whole MMA community were on board that Ronda was unstoppable, and the boxing she was developing was just adding to her invincibility. Holm wrecked all of that. It was an eye opener for everybody. Â Thing is, going into Nunes fight there's absolutely no way that Ronda went into that fight having not improved, she probably worked hard for months on tightening up her game and likely was looking better in the gym, if Ronda didn't believe she had got better i don't think she ever would have returned. The whole thing fell apart when Nunes cracked her, Ronda came storming to the cage like she always did, and one right hand put her back in the same place she was against Holm, panicked, lost and desperate. We all knew her frame of mind was gonna be a key factor in the fight, and that's pretty much what lead to her downfall for me, she simply fell apart. Â Â Boxing fans are never gonna let this one go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted January 4, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 4, 2017 That cover is hilarious. Like it belongs in a different dimension now. Â So do we reckon Rousey fights again? I hope she gives it another go, so long as she realises she's best trying a different approach with her training camp. She's been battered in her last two fights, but you imagine Rousey is still a great athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 4, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 4, 2017 I was surprised she came back this time, i'll be even more surprised if she comes back a second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Brock came back after similar defeats, if she does come back it should be against someone lower in the ranking, I do think if she joined a top camp with her being a great athlete, she's already ahead of most of the women. Â She can try acting but she's not going to make massive money in the roles she's capable of doing, unless she improves massively, WWE might be an option but she would have to start from scratch unlike Brock. The more she stays out the UFC the less visible she becomes. Â Amanda Nunes apparently went on a 20 minute hissy fit backstage after the show because they aired the Rousey Shampoo advert but she should realise pantene paid for that advert and the UFC had to air it, that's according to Din Thomas one of her coaches at ATT. Â WME have the contacts to get her booked on mainstream media outlets like Ellen if they wanted then it would be up to her to try and make herself a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted January 5, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2017 I'm thinking Rousey should've taken a leaf out of Holm's book. Holm trained up to neutralise Ronda's main weapon - her judo - so that she could get to use her own. To this end, she worked on her takedown defence. She obviously knew she was never going to beat Rousey in a ground game, so she trained to make sure it never got there.  Rousey should've done the grappler's equivalent: work on her wrestling and defensive boxing movement, to improve her headslips and closing the distance, so that she could neutralise Nunes' footwork and striking, and get herself in closer for a takedown. And yes - she should've known she was never going to a beat a striking specialist, and therefore should not even have tried.  Sure, it's not a perfect gameplan, given that Nunes' ground game is nothing to be sniffed at, but it would've been the best chance Rousey had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 5, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2017 She likely did Carbomb, she got nailed in the first 10-15 seconds though and it was all out of the windown. Â "Everybody has a gameplan until they get punched in the face": Mike Tyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted January 5, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2017 She likely did Carbomb, she got nailed in the first 10-15 seconds though and it was all out of the windown. Â "Everybody has a gameplan until they get punched in the face": Mike Tyson. Â Yeah, I guess so. That whole thing about not sparring was fatal; her striking defence should've been her first priority. Â EDIT: A thought occurs. Rousey's chin must've been smashed by Holm, because I remember in a couple of her earlier fights, her plan involved eating a few shots while rushing in to close the distance and get the takedown and sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted January 5, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2017 Bit of that, a bit of Nunes being a monster, I imagine. Tate was also quite good at taking punishment, but she couldn't handle the power Nunes was throwing at her face. The past couple of fights hasn't half given me a new appreciation for Cat Zingano's toughness. Â Also, Nunes isn't half giving Rousey it tight after the fight. She's quite rightly fuming about the disrespect the UFC showed her with the lack of promotion and is certainly making up for it by shitting on Rousey every few days. I've read a few say she should lay off because it's classless (and it sort of is), but it's getting her name out there and gives the Rousey fans their heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 5, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2017 Cat Zingano was the one fight i wanted to see have a do-over with Rousey, i'd loved to have seen that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members WeeAl Posted January 5, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2017 Early projections for the PPV buyrate have came in at 1.1M. If it wnds up being anywhere near that, then it's incredible. Â Which leads me to a question about the idea of Friday PPV's. Are they really as much of an issue as they have been made out to be? Â Lesnar's number on PPV against Overeem was seen as a big disappointment, and most of the reason for that was attributed to it being a Friday. But after seeing this number, is it possible that after the fight with Cain, that some people just had their fill of Lesnar at that time and his supporters had lost confidence in him and his detractors had already seen what they wanted to see? Â This Rousey PPV is looking at doing 400,000 more buys than predicted, putting it right around the Holly Holm show, without any promotion done by Rousey and with being on a Friday night. Do one or both of these reasons not really matter at all? Did this show seriously overperform based on it? Could it have been a PPV breaker if put on a Saturday night and Ronda had done a few press conferences? Â It's thrown a bit of a spanner in the works for the conventional thinking up to this point. It seems to be leading more to indicate if you have something that people want to see, they'll find a way of seeing it and paying for it if neccessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 It's the holiday season loads of people have fucked up work schedules, it's not like it was a friday in march or something. Â The TV prelims started at 5pm local time because it was in the west coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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