Paid Members Gordon_The_Gopher Posted November 2, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 2, 2011 I thought Season 5 was good but with a really anti climatic ending. Regarding the other discussion: I saw it as Dexter letting Travis go after he saw that Travis didn't have *it* in him to kill someone. LambyUK is right that he has killed people who didn't fit the "Harry code" before though. Remember the paedophile that took photographs of Aster?  Point taken and noted. I stand very much corrected.  In recent seasons, any time there's a particularly creative death, Dexter seems to get a hard on and try and kill them before they get arrested, which leaves a lot of awkward loose ends that the writers never bother to tie up. Why is no one bothered about catching Trinity anymore, for example? Dexter knows he's dead but no one else does and none of them seem to give a shit about catching the psycho that killed one of their collegues' wives? Will everybody just forget about the Doomsday Killer if Dexter kills Travis as well?  Trinity became an FBI case and therefore outside of the Miami Metro Control., didn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted November 3, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 3, 2011 Â Sorry guys, I'm one of those weirdos that really liked season 5 whereas most people seem to think it was rubbish so ignore me! Â This is nothing to do with you not liking this season, that's your choice. It's because you came out saying you know what the big twist is. I honestly didn't want to know there was a twist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cum Doctor Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I didn't think he was being entirely serious when he said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted November 3, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 3, 2011 I didn't think he was being entirely serious when he said that. Â I think he was, I may be wrong, but I believe he was serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members unfitfinlay Posted November 3, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 3, 2011 Trinity became an FBI case and therefore outside of the Miami Metro Control., didn't it?  Ah you're right, I forgot about that. I suppose that does work for most of the main cast but it stills seems a bit off that Deb, in particular, hasn't mentioned it though. From her point of view, since she doesn't know Trinity's dead, she basically stopped being obsessed with catching him around the same time he murdered her sister in law. Maybe not as bad as I first thought but it still feels a bit out of character for her at least.  Seems more and more that the writers aren't bothered about making it "realistic" and just have Dexter do what he does and not worry about tying up all the holes in it. Thats creative license i guess and has worked more or less for 6 seasons and there wouldn't be much of a show if he got caught but its annoying me more and more how he gets away with everything. He never would in reality and its so blatant these days.  He does slowly seem to have turned into a parody of himself doesn't he? Thinking back to the very first episode, when he killed the first guy you got the impression that he'd been watching the guy for years, carefully planning every detail and picking the exact right time and place to kill him without getting caught. Now he's rushing into things like an idiot and narrowly avoiding getting caught, while still acting like he's the same methodical character he's always been. I suppose an argument could be made that he's just grown as a person but it does make the character much less interesting and sympathetic.  I think I'm going to have to have a massive Dexter rewatch at some point. Been years since I've seen the first season be interesting to see if he's really changed as much as I think he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted November 4, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 4, 2011 Regarding Dexter's so called 'sloppyness' etc with his approach to his killings. For me, it's been a natural evolution. As the seasons have gone by his personal life has gained extra responsibilties. First there was Rita. Initially Rita was just a cover up to make him blend in and then changed. He became more involved and eventually moved in with Rita. Additionally he then took on the responsibility of raising Rita's kids. He then had a child himself to then lose his wife and become a father. His kills have been more rushed and less calculated as he simply does not have the time to be as meticulous as he once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members unfitfinlay Posted November 7, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 7, 2011 Regarding Dexter's so called 'sloppyness' etc with his approach to his killings. For me, it's been a natural evolution. As the seasons have gone by his personal life has gained extra responsibilties. First there was Rita. Initially Rita was just a cover up to make him blend in and then changed. He became more involved and eventually moved in with Rita. Additionally he then took on the responsibility of raising Rita's kids. He then had a child himself to then lose his wife and become a father. His kills have been more rushed and less calculated as he simply does not have the time to be as meticulous as he once was. Â Oh yeah, I understand that. It has made him a less interesting character though. Â The new episode was okay (I could watch Batista punching out Quinn for hours) but it got immediately overshadowed by the Teaser for next week. That looks fucking tremendous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurryAngel Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I'm gutted I found out a few days ago how that episode ended having Brian back as Dexters Dark Passenger should have happened ages ago. (I'm thinking the start of last season when he killed that guy in the toilets). Â Next week looks like it'll be a riot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Justice Posted November 7, 2011 Author Share Posted November 7, 2011 I thought it was a brilliant twist. Harry was the light Brother Sam could see, Brian is body of the Dark Passenger Dexter has never seen but always knew was in him. Â I never watch the trailers so I don't know anything about next week. I'm wondering whether it will now be a 50/50 between Dexter seeing Harry or Brian (depending on the circumstance) or whether Brian has taken over completely, for now at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobystag Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 HOLY FUCK!!! Â Okay I was thinking the "twist" and the game changer was going to be Dexter being able to forgive as Brother Sam instructed, then when I heard the clapping, I thought it was going to be Sam himself, but Brian???? Loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky Dad Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 From the trailers next weeks episode looks monumental. This season is starting to really pick up pace and it's so hard to second guess. Loving it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted November 8, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 8, 2011 Whilst I really liked the ending, I have to admit that throughout that whole episode something didn't feel right. I can't put my finger on it. Perhaps it was Dexter getting upset and vowing revenge for Brother Sam. It just didn't sit right with me. Then for some bizarre reason I just got sick of hearing the name "brother Sam" over and over. Â Then there were scenes involving Travis. Not a single thing was mentioned about the fact that there is someone onto him regarding all the murders. It was if that whole incident involving Dex questioning him never happened. EDIT:- Perhaps him letting the girl go is linked to what Dexter said to him in the car? Perhaps... Â Obviously seeing Rudy at the end of this ep was a great turn and it could potentially lead to some great moments for the rest of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Gordon_The_Gopher Posted November 8, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 8, 2011 Whilst I really liked the ending, I have to admit that throughout that whole episode something didn't feel right. I can't put my finger on it. Perhaps it was Dexter getting upset and vowing revenge for Brother Sam. It just didn't sit right with me. Then for some bizarre reason I just got sick of hearing the name "brother Sam" over and over.  It felt like a slow, uneventful episode until the home stretch - same as cobystag I foresaw Brother Sam but BRIAN!!! Fucking BOOM!!!  I'm torn as to whether I am happy I saw the teaser or not but....just wow...  <-- click on 'spoiler' to show/hide the spoiler  I am PRAYING for a John Lithgow cameo as Jonah's Dark Passenger, but that's probably too much to ask and maybe shitting on the whole Passenger thing. Although if it lead to a further twist in the Travis/Professor conundrum maybe it would work...   [close spoiler] ");document.close(); Look out season 4, you may about to move into second place.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members unfitfinlay Posted November 9, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 9, 2011 Whilst I really liked the ending, I have to admit that throughout that whole episode something didn't feel right. I can't put my finger on it. Perhaps it was Dexter getting upset and vowing revenge for Brother Sam. It just didn't sit right with me. Then for some bizarre reason I just got sick of hearing the name "brother Sam" over and over. Then there were scenes involving Travis. Not a single thing was mentioned about the fact that there is someone onto him regarding all the murders. It was if that whole incident involving Dex questioning him never happened. EDIT:- Perhaps him letting the girl go is linked to what Dexter said to him in the car? Perhaps...  Obviously seeing Rudy at the end of this ep was a great turn and it could potentially lead to some great moments for the rest of the series.  I'm going to sound like a total wanker here but I thought the reason Dexter took it so personally was because Brother Sam represented everything Dexter WANTED to be: A killer who was able to beat the darkness inside them and become a good man. Seeing him getting gunned down by someone he'd only ever tried to help was enough to make Dexter turn away from Harry's code and embrace the darkness, which is why he's now seeing Brian.  That's how I see it anyway.  It just occurred to me but I wonder how Brian being "back" will play into the storyline about the girl from Heroes selling the Hand online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted November 10, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 Whilst I really liked the ending, I have to admit that throughout that whole episode something didn't feel right. I can't put my finger on it. Perhaps it was Dexter getting upset and vowing revenge for Brother Sam. It just didn't sit right with me. Then for some bizarre reason I just got sick of hearing the name "brother Sam" over and over. Then there were scenes involving Travis. Not a single thing was mentioned about the fact that there is someone onto him regarding all the murders. It was if that whole incident involving Dex questioning him never happened. EDIT:- Perhaps him letting the girl go is linked to what Dexter said to him in the car? Perhaps...  Obviously seeing Rudy at the end of this ep was a great turn and it could potentially lead to some great moments for the rest of the series.  I'm going to sound like a total wanker here but I thought the reason Dexter took it so personally was because Brother Sam represented everything Dexter WANTED to be: A killer who was able to beat the darkness inside them and become a good man. Seeing him getting gunned down by someone he'd only ever tried to help was enough to make Dexter turn away from Harry's code and embrace the darkness, which is why he's now seeing Brian.  That's how I see it anyway.  It just occurred to me but I wonder how Brian being "back" will play into the storyline about the girl from Heroes selling the Hand online?  Sorry for being picky, but didn't Harry basically say those very things to Dexter during the scene in the kitchen where he was getting upset?  I don't dispute the reasons why he became upset, I just felt it didn't sit right. It didn't feel natural, and I just got sick of hearing the name "brother Sam" over and over. Literally "Brother Sam" was mentioned about 30 times within a few minutes. Stupid moan I know, but it just got on my nerves. Then it was Dex's behaviour and the departments in general towards Brother Sam. I mean, before Dex got to know him, the department treated him like scum and that no-one could change their colours. Yet, Dex befriends him and all of sudden he is a saint to the department?  I just didn't really like the episode until the very end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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