Pyrotechnik Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 You know how Cameron specifically referenced praised that million-member Facebook group supporting the police. Oops. Hope he learns from it in future, but is it really relevant? The actual page isn't being used by him for a platform for racist jokes, and people are joining it not because they agree with him but because they want to show support to the police.
Paid Members Murtz Posted August 10, 2011 Paid Members Posted August 10, 2011 http://twitpic.com/6421ce Benefit scrounging jobless scumbags~! The comment below the page made me belly laugh. Just genius.
Smeg_&_The_Heads Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) http://twitpic.com/6421ce Benefit scrounging jobless scumbags~! Plus I wonder how the BNP and others who use race as a reason (it's only the blacks doing it) for this will feel that 2 out of the 3 rioters shown are white Edited August 10, 2011 by Smeg_&_The_Heads
Glen Quagmire Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 I have to say that this thread has been probably the sanest one about the English riots I've read over the last few days. Some other messages boards I frequent have became sewers where the riots have brought out the worst in many people. One thing is for sure, once all of this has eventually died down, a serious look at the social fabric of England, and the wider UK, needs to be looked at. Trying to stifle and shut up any discussion about looking at the underbelly of what has been created leading to all of this, and sweeping it under the carpet will only make it worse in the future.
Awards Moderator Frankie Crisp Posted August 10, 2011 Awards Moderator Posted August 10, 2011 Apologies if I've missed this already being posted, but: Heh.
Max Power Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 This Chris Kamara page of facebook is genius. http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Chris...175042489233478
Paid Members Surf Digby Posted August 10, 2011 Paid Members Posted August 10, 2011 On Skynews just now Kay Burley said people have been filming footage of the Riot's on Cine Camera's. God bless her. Aaaw cool. I love the retro look. I'm back in Mansfield, where there's nothing of note, although I've heard talk of some disturbances in Kirkby-in-Ashfield. Manchester looked like a street party where only glaziers were invited. Anyone know if Superlambanana is okay?
Awards Moderator Frankie Crisp Posted August 10, 2011 Awards Moderator Posted August 10, 2011 Anyone know if Superlambanana is okay? Yeah, she survived it. Tough as, well, concrete and fibreglass that thing.
Glen Quagmire Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 By the way, read a twitter from a couple of days ago that underlines how streched the Met have been... Deputy mayor says 1400 police on streets of London. Totally inadequate. At peak NI troubles 21,000 soldiers + 13,000 police for 1.5 million
Loki Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Bit saddened to see stuff like this on Facebook: "There's an epetition on directgov going viral, the one asking we stop giving benefits to convicted rioters - the government have to review it if over 100,000 people sign up." The legal system is already working overtime to get those arrested brought to justice. The magistrates courts have been referring the rioters to the Crown Court for sentencing to maximise their sentences. These are the appropriate steps to take - restore law and order with robust policing; throw the full weight of the law at offenders; then start to address the problems in society that have led to this situation. The idea of knee-jerk legislation is really dumb. Cameron doesn't know how to pitch this does he? He turns up on tv now, 48 hours too late, advocating the use of rubber bullets when the situation is moving along beyond that, and then turns up the rhetoric with a "sick society", when he's been the head of that society for the last year! Whenever Cameron uses the word "society" it's almost as if he's talking about something that's only theoretical to him. The dignity of Tariq Jahan is in stark contrast to that chavvy mum who's been on the news excusing her kids for being thugs and then being told off by a random passer-by. I know which one I feel more sympathy for!
Paid Members JNLister Posted August 10, 2011 Paid Members Posted August 10, 2011 Never thought I'd fell sorry for Baroness Warsi, but it's got to suck to be introduced on TV as Minister for Social Cohesion right now.
Vice Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Here's some of the shit spreading across Facebook: "Petition to stop Rioters receiving any type of benefits/Pension" "RIP Broken Britain.. You went soft on discipline !.. You went soft on crime.. Parents were told.. 'No you can't smack the kids'....Teachers were prevented from chastising kids in schools.. The police couldn't clip a troublemaker round the ear.. Kids had rights blah blah blah.. Well done Britain..You shall reap what you sow.. We have lost a whole generation !!" "Stop destroying the country our soldiers are fighting to protect." "Punishments for the looters and rioters and vandals and murderers? Death Hand chopped off Jail - long sentence Jail - short sentence Disallowed from working with or having children Benefits cut off No longer citizens Made to pay for and clean up the damage"
King Pitcos Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Hand chopped off Not if the EDL have anything to say about it.
bobbins Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Bobbins: You asked me a question in this thread before all the rioting kicked off again but understandably missed the response: I'll try to explain, because you're a good lad who's just got really wound up here. I disagree with statements like this (your words) but still talk about social ills because I'm trying to see this subject in a balanced way rather than black and white. I don't believe either strictly in nature OR strictly in nurture. I know that how and where you grow up hugely informs your character, and yet I also know that there are plenty of young teenagers from Tottenham who WEREN'T rioting on Saturday night. Same background, but "not scum" to put it in the language of tabloids. I know people who came from rubbish inner-city schools and now leverage huge salaries and work at the highest levels of business whilst their school chums smoke cracks and go to jail. Regardless of your circumstances, I believe every individual is personally responsible to society and that there is an unspoken (though possibly it should be codified) charter of social responsibility that parallels your human rights as it were. Things that you owe others as opposed to things that others owe you. And not burning down people's businesses would definitely be one of those responsibilities. There's no excuse for what happened on Saturday. Perhaps a few of them were just caught up and followed the herd. But most of them weren't just rioting because they'd got a bum deal in life, they were rioting because they are absolute twats, and they deserve whatever punishment is meted out to them (within the parameters of the law, obviously). It's their schoolmates who didn't riot, and who have to continue to live in those areas that I reserve my sympathies for. I didn't miss it, I just didn't bother responding, because I've gone over it a hundred times in this thread and got nothing but shit for it. All your talk of social ills is washed away with the notion that people were rioting purely because they are absolute twats. This is why I was asking the question, what makes them absolute twats? Were they born absolute twats? Is it innate? A twat gene? Honestly, it's a serious question. Is it really that simple? They're just twats? End of? If you honestly believe that, then why waste your time with the society talk? You really can't have it both ways. The deeper reasons are either relevant to the discussion or they're not. This is the post that lead me to believe that you're just a Tory dressed up as a liberal. Talking a good talk on social ills is all just a cover if you're going to brush it away with "they're absolute twats, nothing to do with a bum deal in life, zero sympathy". I agree with you to a certain extent about personal responsibility, but those ideals are not bestowed from heaven. Those responsibilities come from a lifetime of being shown the right way to do things. The right way to behave, the right way to treat others. It comes from parents, teachers, role models, uncles and aunties, grandparents, siblings, peers, TV, music, whatever. But what if your parents, teachers, role models etc etc are mostly twats? What if the people that you really look up to and listen to as a child are twats? What if your favourite musicians and your peers are all twats? What if you lived all your life in an area where nobody goes to work, they just deal drugs or sit off? In a place where money and possessions are everything, but working to earn it is nothing? (before the simple-minded Pitcos jumps in with "why isn't everyone in those areas a twat then? That proves you're wrong. good arrows checkmate", I'll mention that even when surrounded by twattery, many people are able to figure out the right way for themselves, have an innate capacity to listen out for the right advice and take the right decisions in life and that's fucking great, but many aren't so lucky). It's absolutely possible for society to be set up in a way that doesn't create that kind of situation. A society where if your parents are twats, there are always other people who will step in and show young people the right way and teach them the responsibilities that society rightly expects of them. Any society where the twats strongly outnumber the responsible people, where the voices of community leaders are drowned out and where the education system is failing is just going to breed more twats. It really does not have to be that way, and that's on the government and society to create a better way. And just for the hard of thinking I'll mention that I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES for anybody. I think looters and rioters are twats too, I just think that the deeper reasons for that kind of twattery always has to be part of the equation and discussion or you're just pissing in the wind. So, that's my philosophy. You might not like it, but I live my life by it and judge others by it. For the record, I've been pretty critical of the Lib Dems since they've been in power, without actually trying to present them as the second coming of Satan. Their policies in goverment don't represent by beliefs; however I voted for them so I have to accept the consequences of that. It's called democracy. That's a pretty frickin weird definition of democracy if you ask me but whatevs. Why has he only named Tory MPs who were fiddling? you mean like Hazel Blears and Gerald Kaufman? And the Ecclestone, Blunkett, Grange, Hewitt, Hoon, Byers, Mandelson and cash-for-access comments were all Labour related. I think the Tories got off lightly.
Paid Members Kaz Hayashi Posted August 10, 2011 Paid Members Posted August 10, 2011 you mean like Hazel Blears and Gerald Kaufman? And the Ecclestone, Blunkett, Grange, Hewitt, Hoon, Byers, Mandelson and cash-for-access comments were all Labour related. I think the Tories got off lightly. 100% agree, he flogged everyone in fairness.
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