mikey Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Hogan was AWA's top babyface. He was in the WWWF and he filmed Rocky III without Vince's permission so was fired. He ended up as a heel in the AWA but the fans turned him face through their reaction. Hogan became the top babyface but Verne didn't think him an "AWA wrestler". Hogan was the musclebound brawler and AWA the home of technical wrestling so he was booked in a number of false finishes and reversed finishes for the AWA title against Nick Bockwinkel. In April '83, his big showdown with Bockwinkel drew 20,000 to the Saint Paul Civic Center and when they pulled the reversed decision schtick again, the crowd rioted. Arguably, that was the point where a lot of fans lost faith with AWA and the beginning of their slide. If anything, it proved how stuck in the past Verne Gagne was. Hogan claims he was later offered the title but, by that point, he was bigger than the belt and Verne was playing silly buggers, trying to get a cut of Hogan's Japan money, not giving him enough of a cut on the merchandise and trying to get him married into the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoryFice Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 How big of a draw was Hulk Hogan pre-WWF/1984 in the AWA and New Japan (post Rocky III). I'm just reading a old article in Power Slam from 2002 where it says "contrary to popular belief, Hulk Hogan was the biggest attraction in wrestling long before he hooked up with the World Wrestling Federation." Is this true? And where does Hulk Hogan come on a scale of popularity between him and other notable foreigners who compete in Japan (like The Steiner Brothers, The Road Warriors, Stan Hansen, Andre etc.) Â I'm not sure about the AWA - though I know that losing Hogan was generally considered one of the major blows that helped put the company down for the count - but in New Japan, yes, he was right up there with the likes of Hansen and Brody. I'd think he's probably a bit ahead of the Steiners and the Road Warriors, if only because they're tag teams and so don't have the individual star power of a Hogan. Andre's a slightly harder one to judge, as Andre was never a guy who hung around very long, having competitive matches with everyone. He was a main event guy his whole time there though and faced Inoki in the finals of the first IWGP title tournament. Unless I'm very much mistaken, he won that (although he wasn't really meant to), so he was a major player. Â Certainly, even in the States, he was marked out for stardom from very early on. He was pushed in Florida when he started, went straight into main events in Memphis (but then who didn't?) and was one of the first guys in New York to really get a lot of heat on Andre in the build-up to the Shea Stadium show. However, contrary to Hogan's book, he wasn't a main eventer at that point, being I think third or fourth from top underneath Bruno/Zybszko and Samoans/Backlund/Pedro. Â An answer creates a question - what do you mean by 'wasn't really meant to'? Â Â I always thought the finish of that match was that Inoki had apparently "swallowed his tongue" and thus couldnt continue, thus giving the win to Hogan, meaning that Hogan was actually the planned winner of the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Deaq Posted January 14, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 Dont know if this is Wrestling Q's only but i donated so money the other day and have not heard back tryed to PM MOO but his in box is full. Â Any ideas what i need to do now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted January 15, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted January 15, 2009 Dont know if this is Wrestling Q's only but i donated so money the other day and have not heard back tryed to PM MOO but his in box is full. Any ideas what i need to do now? Wait I think, Moo will get to you in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Au Posted January 15, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted January 15, 2009 Yeah, it was a couple of months between me paying and actually getting my account upgraded. He'll get to you eventually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted January 15, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted January 15, 2009 Dont know if this is Wrestling Q's only but i donated so money the other day and have not heard back tryed to PM MOO but his in box is full. Any ideas what i need to do now? PM neil. I think he can do it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoryFice Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Does anyone have match listings for all the WWF Wrestlefest videos? I'm sure i used to have '93 or '94 but cant remember which one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Deaq Posted January 16, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) Thank's Baz elegia and Rick. Will PM neil thanks. Edited January 16, 2009 by Deacon.Dispair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted January 16, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted January 16, 2009 Does anyone have match listings for all the WWF Wrestlefest videos? I'm sure i used to have '93 or '94 but cant remember which one. From Pro Wrestling History Tape Guide -> http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com/videos/wwf/wwfindex.html  Wrestlefest (WF058) 07/30/88 Jacques & Raymond Rougeau vs The Killer Bees 07/30/88 Bad News Brown vs. Bret Hart 07/30/88 Jim Duggan vs. Honkytonk Man 07/30/88 The Powers of Pain vs. Nikolai Volkoff & Boris Zhukov 07/30/88 Jim Neidhart vs. Lanny Poffo 07/30/88 Jake Roberts vs. Rick Rude 07/30/88 The Ultimate Warrior vs. Bobby Heenan (weasel suit match) 07/30/88 Demolition vs. The British Bulldogs 07/30/88 Dino Bravo vs. Ken Patera 07/30/88 Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant (steel cage match)  Wrestlefest 1990 (WF080) 01/22/90 Roddy Piper vs. Randy Savage 02/14/90 The Ultimate Warrior vs. Dino Bravo 12/28/89 Brutus Beefcake vs. Rick Martel 01/23/90 The Hart Foundation vs. The Powers of Pain 08/09/90 The Hart Foundation vs. The Honkytonk Man & Dino Bravo 08/29/89 The Hart Foundation vs. The Rockers 1990 Segment on WWF fleet of trucks 01/15/90 Hulk Hogan vs. Mr. Perfect 03/06/90 Jake Roberts & The Ultimate Warrior vs. Ted DiBiase & Akeem (referee Big Bossman)  Wrestlefest 1991 (WF093) 02/19/91 The Ultimate Warrior vs. Earthquake 1991 The Mountie vs. The Big Bossman 04/15/91 The Rockers vs. Hercules & Paul Roma 02/18/91 Ted DiBiase vs. Kerry Von Erich 1991 Davey Boy Smith vs. Haku 1991 Brutus Beefcake grooming tips 03/12/91 Greg Valentine vs. Rick Martel 1991 The Warlord vs. Koko B. Ware 03/12/91 The Legion of Doom vs. The Hart Foundation 03/15/91 Marty Jannetty vs. Pat Tanaka  Wrestlefest 1992 (WF105) 03/23/92 Shawn Michaels vs. Virgil 04/07/92 Ted DiBiase & Irwin R. Schyster vs. The Bushwhackers 03/10/92 Davey Boy Smith vs. Rick Martel 1990s Highlights of various Bret Hart matches 11/12/91 Bret Hart vs. The Barbarian 03/10/92 The Nasty Boys vs. Earthquake & Typhoon 04/08/92 Randy Savage vs. Irwin R. Schyster 04/08/92 Tito Santana vs. Repo Man 04/28/92 The Legion of Doom, Earthquake, & Typhoon vs. The Nasty Boys, Irwin R. Schyster, & Ted DiBiase  Wrestlefest 1993 (WS927) 07/21/92 Owen Hart, Koko B. Ware, & Tito Santana vs. Repo Man, & The Nasty Boys 10/12/92 Crush vs. Papa Shango 09/01/92 The Big Bossman vs. Rick Martel 11/24/92 Earthquake vs. Repo Man 10/28/92 Shawn Michaels vs. Virgil 12/15/92 Ted DiBiase & Irwin R. Schyster vs. The Nasty Boys 06/01/92 The Undertaker vs. The Berzerker 07/09/91 Jim Duggan vs. Irwin R. Schyster 11/23/92 Randy Savage vs. Terry Taylor 08/10/92 Bret Hart vs. Kamala 10/13/92 Razor Ramon vs. Tito Santana 01/18/93 Mr. Perfect vs. Ric Flair (loser leaves town match)  Wrestlefest 1994 (WF136) 01/12/94 Randy Savage vs. Rick Martel 01/11/94 1-2-3 Kid & Marty Jannetty vs. Headshrinkers Fatu & Samu 1994 Men on a Mission "Wrestlefest Rap" 09/28/93 The Undertaker vs. Adam Bomb 01/11/94 Rick & Scott Steiner vs. Bret & Owen Hart 10/19/93 Yokozuna vs. Mr. Perfect 09/01/93 Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon 1994 "The King's Court" with Bret Hart 02/22/94 Bret Hart vs. Diesel  There are 95, 96 & 97 tapes too but I think they were In Your House compilations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted January 16, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) 1988's was a full stadium show, all the rest were a bunch of random match compilations IIRC. Â EDIT: No Randy Savage - DiBiase title match on the 1988 version. Rather strange. Edited January 16, 2009 by bAzTNM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted January 16, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted January 16, 2009 It's edited down to two hours, so several matches are cut out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty LC Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Does anyone have match listings for all the WWF Wrestlefest videos? I'm sure i used to have '93 or '94 but cant remember which one. From Pro Wrestling History Tape Guide -> http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com/videos/wwf/wwfindex.html   01/11/94 Rick & Scott Steiner vs. Bret & Owen Hart  Had that match had larger exposure it probably would have been a MOTYC for 94. Utterly terrific. Come to think of it, that entire tape is pretty great, and much of the Wrestlefest tapes are largely great - maybe not as great as the Supertape series (of which I remember Supertape 2 being pretty darned great, while Supertape 92 - not the 92nd in the series, you understand - had Tuesday in Texas on that)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURR Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Are there any rats in British wrestling, or are they only in America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Tommy! Posted January 16, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted January 16, 2009 would any one recomened the G1 climax shows. Â what are they like over all? Â also what years would people generaly say are best, im not sure how many they did but im sure its a regular thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopper Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Are there any rats in British wrestling, or are they only in America? Â I have no evidence to prove it, but a lot of the female fans that spend entire 1PW Doncaster Dome shows in the corner where the wrestlers merchandise tables are appear to be rats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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