Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted May 30 Paid Members Share Posted May 30 Im pretty sure Mone and Jericho have the same character at this point, just one plays it ironically. @Chili surely the hometown hero winning the world title at Wembley is obvious from a story point of view? I mean there was a reason Bret vs Bulldog headlined for a secondary title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Duke Posted May 31 Paid Members Share Posted May 31 11 hours ago, Chili said: I doubt it, I'm also still baffled where this Ospreay should have the title match at All In chat evolved from. Has he said anything to hint at that or is it one of them subtle weird things I've 'missed' like the Bryan/Nigel match that might happen but beyond Nigel just being a commentator who trolls an old rival it actually hasn't really been built or hinted and just jumping to conclusions. Swerve/Hangman headlining All In wouldn't be a bad main event. There are loads of things Ospreay could do instead. I don't think him winning the title at All In is some great missed opportunity. He's already top 2 or 3 in the babyfaces in the company with very little investment so far, has more than held his own in American style promos and is arguably the best wrestler in the world at 31. He's also, presumably, being paid loads. They should be building the company around him, and giving him a coronation in front of his hometown crowd and coincidentally the biggest crowd of the year makes total sense for that.  Giving him the title match at forbidden door is weird, because neither he nor Swerve should be losing already. I cannot imagine they'll do a title change on that show, so I assume it'll be where the family turns on Osprey, but he's already beaten all of them, so no idea where that's heading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew "the ref" coyne Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 36 minutes ago, Duke said: He's already top 2 or 3 in the babyfaces in the company with very little investment so far, has more than held his own in American style promos and is arguably the best wrestler in the world at 31. He's also, presumably, being paid loads. They should be building the company around him, and giving him a coronation in front of his hometown crowd and coincidentally the biggest crowd of the year makes total sense for that.  Giving him the title match at forbidden door is weird, because neither he nor Swerve should be losing already. I cannot imagine they'll do a title change on that show, so I assume it'll be where the family turns on Osprey, but he's already beaten all of them, so no idea where that's heading. I think people have presumed it's happening, and thus now accept it as truth. Personally I reckon they are building to Ospreay challenging NEXT YEAR. That'll likely pop another sell out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lorne Malvo Posted May 31 Paid Members Share Posted May 31 Okada being the funniest man on the roster is one of my favourite things about AEW in 2024. He's hilarious! The Casino Gauntlet Match is brilliant. Love the format of it, the 'it could end at any time' rule adds the drama that would be missing if it was just 'no pinfalls until everyone has entered'. Would've loved them to cut to Dark Order in the back looking gutted that the match was over before they could enter or some daft shite like that. I think everyone has been crying out for Tony Khan to get an on-screen proxy for years, if it limits the amount of awkward TK promos/announcements. Christopher Daniels is a solid choice. Really hope Shibata joins the Hook/Joe pairing. Those 3 going for the Trios belts once they escape the Jericho Vortex would be right up my street. Truly Dangerous Men is a cool name, but I'd prefer Double-Hard Bastards. I don't mind the title belt situation as much as most but I also wouldn't be against them unifying the International and World titles. I still love Mercedes Mone, fuck you all. But yeah, that finisher needs to get in the bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Duke Posted May 31 Paid Members Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, andrew "the ref" coyne said: I think people have presumed it's happening, and thus now accept it as truth. Personally I reckon they are building to Ospreay challenging NEXT YEAR. That'll likely pop another sell out. Yeah I think that's right. It seems obvious so people have taken it as read, and it would certainly be very AEW to have him lose this match to Swerve at Forbidden Door and spend the next year getting him back "up the rankings" for All In next year so he can Finish The Story. That also gives the opportunity for Swerve to have a decent reign before losing the belt to Okada for Osprey to face at All In next year, which is probably the biggest match they can do right now. Except Keith Lee Vs Swerve, obviously, proper long term story telling, that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted May 31 Paid Members Share Posted May 31 16 hours ago, Supremo said: Mercedes Mone’s finisher. What is the crack with that, lads? Is it supposed to end with her catching her opponent with a DDT? Or has she abandoned that part of the move completely and now they both just fall down at the same time? I assumed it was a convoluted spinning DDT but I honestly think I’ve only ever seen her hit it correctly like that once.  16 hours ago, The King Of Swing said: Didn't she botch it on Kairi, the first time she even attempted it? One of those moves that probably seems cool in your head but is shit in execution. Bin it. I got into my head that the success rate was about 50/50 but considering she only had about 5 matches between WWE and injury, I might be wrong, considering how many I've seen whiffed, If there really was only once where the DDT actually came off.... at least it was in winning the belt.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted May 31 Paid Members Share Posted May 31 Contrast it with The Overdrive. The no brainer. The banker. The one that couldn’t fail. The one that’s never failed. Hundreds of episodes of Velocity out there. It connected every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted May 31 Paid Members Share Posted May 31 12 minutes ago, Supremo said: Contrast it with The Overdrive. The no brainer. The banker. The one that couldn’t fail. The one that’s never failed. Hundreds of episodes of Velocity out there. It connected every time. Why exactly do people rag on the Overdrive? I've never seen an issue with it. Sometimes I've seen the impact look pretty devastating. Is it just because it screams "lower midcard"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted May 31 Paid Members Share Posted May 31 3 hours ago, air_raid said: Why exactly do people rag on the Overdrive? I've never seen an issue with it. Sometimes I've seen the impact look pretty devastating. Is it just because it screams "lower midcard"? What’s the impact though? The proponent drives his knee into the mat, the opponent has a weak swinging neckbreaker. It also looks piss weak 95% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted May 31 Paid Members Share Posted May 31 32 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: What’s the impact though? The proponent drives his knee into the mat, the opponent has a weak swinging neckbreaker. It also looks piss weak 95% of the time. I dunno, I just watched a little compilation of them and I guess YMMV. When its done well, I'd put it up there with the Lightning Spiral/PaigeTurner at least. I think plenty of the family of "just a slam" finishers with less torque got over. The Olympic Slam for instance, I thought was pretty lame for a finish in 1999. Within a year I bought it as lethal. The ZigZag was just a back bump without any spinning (and well know spinning makes a move better). As I say... YMMV. ........ I like Paydirt too. That's even MORE divisive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyAnderson Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Just wondering if they'll have Osperay pull double duty at Forbidden Door and that gives AEW a reason for him both losing to Swerve and also to have a rematch at All-In. So at Forbidden Door he'd open the show in a hard fought victory over Daniel Garcia, who called him out on Dynamite. And then, carrying some sort of kayfabe injury into the main event, Swerve can target the injured body part and pick up the victory. Following Dynamite, Swerve can either offer a rematch saying he doesn't want an asterix next to any victory he has so he's willing to fight Osperay again as long as this time Will is 100% or Osperay can demand the rematch by saying he wasn't 100% fit due to having already wrestled earlier in the night and Swerve being the fighting champion, accepts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted May 31 Paid Members Share Posted May 31 53 minutes ago, air_raid said: I dunno, I just watched a little compilation of them and I guess YMMV. When its done well, I'd put it up there with the Lightning Spiral/PaigeTurner at least. I think plenty of the family of "just a slam" finishers with less torque got over. The Olympic Slam for instance, I thought was pretty lame for a finish in 1999. Within a year I bought it as lethal. The ZigZag was just a back bump without any spinning (and well know spinning makes a move better). As I say... YMMV. ........ I like Paydirt too. That's even MORE divisive. As I said, there are some that look good. As compared to the angle slam, it’s at least elevated, the overdrive the opponent is already bent over (ooh er) so the bump is less impactful for me. A fine move in a move set, but not a believable finisher for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
organizedkaos Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, JimmyAnderson said: Just wondering if they'll have Osperay pull double duty at Forbidden Door and that gives AEW a reason for him both losing to Swerve and also to have a rematch at All-In. Owen Hart cup being for a world title shot at all in possibly scuppers this? Even by AEW standards trying to do the full tournament in 10 days between Forbidden Door and the finals is a bit rushed. To be honest I think this is them in part trying to cut off all the "Ospreay wins the world title in main event at All In" speculation. The speculation has become pretty standard everywhere and if it's not Tony's plans (and Tony's not changing plans) it could create a pretty negative response. Fans can sometimes get caught up in discussion/speculation so that they start to treat their own speculation as canon. It's one thing to be disapointed a story sets up a logical conclusion and then veers off but it's another thing to treat your internal speculation as a story setting something up. The former is fine for criticism but there's been plenty instances of fans on the internet getting p riled up by the latter even if it's not justified (shippers are a classic example of this) So they put a title on Ospreay... They established how the All In title match will be setup and then for good measure they've booked Ospreay in a World Title match during the setup for All In. Obviously it's wrestling and stipulations, setups and logic are all fair game for being chucked through a barbershop window but yeah... Edited May 31 by organizedkaos Aretha Franklin - RESPECT (Raw Artes Edit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyAnderson Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 18 minutes ago, organizedkaos said: Owen Hart cup being for a world title shot at all in possibly scuppers this? Genuinely forgot about that. But yeah you're right that probably does cock up what I was predicting unless they do it with the roles reversed at All-In. Still go ahead with Osperay pulling double duty at Forbidden Door and then Swerve doing it at All-In. Swerve beating the winner of the Owen Hart Cup then losing to Osperay in the main event, setting up a third and final match at either All Out or WrestleDream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew "the ref" coyne Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 20 hours ago, organizedkaos said: Owen Hart cup being for a world title shot at all in possibly scuppers this? Even by AEW standards trying to do the full tournament in 10 days between Forbidden Door and the finals is a bit rushed. They've done a few rushed tournaments, and they could easily do both men's and women's first round matches across Dynamite and Rampage, followed by all 4 semis on Collision, before the finals the following Dynamite. Not saying that's what I want to see, but they could easily so that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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