Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted September 9, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) On the 20th anniversary of 9/11, Triller gives us this. PPV MAIN CARDEvander Holyfield vs Vitor Belfort Anderson Silva vs Tito Ortiz David Haye vs Joe Fournier Andy Vences vs Jono Carroll  Christ. I read that there are gonna be some prelims as well but I canât find info, nor do I care enough to dig around for info. Also read something about Snoop Dogg providing a music performance again like he did for the Tyson vs Jones PPV, this time joined by a hologram of Marvin Gaye! Foâ shizzle. Complete clusterfuck of an event and thereâs no way Iâd pay actual money to see it, but I canât pretend I wonât check this main card out. Morbid curiosity if nothing else.  So Evander Holyfield vs Vitor Belfort headlines. Absolutely surreal to even be typing that but combat sports have gone completely barmy recently so maybe it shouldnât be that much of a shock in 2021. Wasnât the original plan, we were supposed to see Belfort vs Oscar De La Hoya here. Which was just as odd a matchup. COVID ended up taking the âGolden Boyâ out of the fight. In steps Holyfield on about a weekâs notice. Iâm all for a freakshow but Iâm not a fan of this one. Holyfield just shouldnât be in there. He turns 59 years old next month, for fuckâs sake! An all time great and a true legend but itâs sad seeing him still taking fights at this stage. Admittedly he keeps himself in fantastic shape for a man pushing 60⊠Shit, the vast majority of 20-30 year olds never look that good. But Father Time came calling on the career of Holyfield a long time ago. He last fought in 2011, and even then the consensus was that heâd carried on way too long. But at least heâd gone out on a couple of wins. A decade out of the ring for any boxer might as well be a lifetime but a decade from your late 40s to late 50s, and after a long hard and punishing career? How youâd rather remember him. He became one of the best Cruiserweights in the world in the first part of his career. His great first fight with Dwight Muhammad Qawi in 1986 being the highlight. Iâve seen it described as âone of the last great 15 round fightsâ a few times and it really is. Seriously, if youâre a fan of 80s Boxing and somehow havenât seen this fight, there are worse ways to spend a rainy Thursday afternoon. Youâre welcome. They rematched in 1987 and Holyfield stopped him in 4. The wars continued up at Heavyweight and in 1989 he had another cracker against Michael Dokes that Iâd also recommend getting up on YouTube if youâre in the mood. He was supposed to fight Mike Tyson in 1990 but Buster Douglas knocking Tyson the fuck out and then the little matter of a rape conviction in 91 shelved that. Evander wound up getting the first shot at new champ Douglas, and crushed him in 3 rounds. He had an unexpectedly great battle with an ageing George Foreman in 91 as well as a points win over an old Larry Holmes in 92. Then it was time. Between 1992 and 1995, Evander Holyfield and Riddick Bowe put on one of the greatest trilogies in Heavyweight history. They were all exciting but the first fight in November 92 was the best of the bunch. Just a 12 round dogfight. I saw it years after the fact and knew the result going in and I was still on the edge of my seat throughout. Bowe ultimately got the nod from the judges when it was all over. Taking Holyfieldâs titles and handing him the first loss of his career. Holyfield went from 28-0 to 28-Bowe, and naturally wanted revenge. The rematch went down a year later in November 93. This time Holyfield evened the score, taking a razor close decision. Wasnât quite as good as the first meeting but still entertaining. In more ways than one⊠The old âfan manâ incident. Craziness. Havenât seen the full fight in years but I remember a big fuck off pause in the action while this mess got resolved. The guy who dropped in received a kicking, Boweâs pregnant wife passed out, all sorts. With the controversy and the score now at 1-1, the rubber match was a must. But it never went down until late 95. This time, the judges werenât needed and Bowe got the TKO in the 8th round of another dramatic battle. I might be wrong but Iâm sure I remember the commentators talking about Holyfield not being a spring chicken even back then in 95, and heâd have only been 33 at the time. Hereâs a nice little highlight of the Holyfield vs Bowe trilogy; I think all three fights are on YouTube in full though. And of course, the âLegendary Nightsâ episode on this is excellent too. Thereâs a strong case to be made that neither man was ever the same again after those fights. Holyfield still had enough to give Mike Tyson a hiding in late 96 though. And everyone knows about the rematch in 97. After that, wins over Michael Moorer, John Ruiz and Hasim Rahman were about as good as it got for him. Lennox Lewis got the better of him over the course of their two fights, despite what the dodgy judges in the first fight said. By the time James Toney clobbered him in 2003, I think it was crystal clear that his days of beating top opposition were over. Like I say though, a true legend. The word warrior gets chucked about willy nilly in both Boxing and MMA at times but when Holyfield had âWARRIORâ on the belt of his shorts, it was for real. Shame his statue looks sod all like him though. And now we come to this. TRT Vitor, Saggy Vitor. Who are we getting? This is almost as much of a mystery as how Holyfield is gonna look. Belfort was never the most consistent at the best of times. Here weâre getting him at 44 years old, having not fought since 2018, and even then he was on the shite end of a brutal knockout from Lyoto Machida. Add to that itâs Boxing rules not MMA. Granted, the hands were always Vitorâs best weapon in MMA but weâre talking another thing entirely going into Boxing against an old wizard like Holyfield. Even at 58, thereâs nothing Belfort can throw at him in a Boxing ring that he hasnât seen thousands of times before. Unless Belfort forgets where he is and throws a headkick. Donât have a clue what happens here. Anyone giving a prediction with real confidence is full of cack. Thereâs so much unknown here. At first glance youâd assume - Holyfieldâs 58, taking it on a weekâs notice = Belfort sparks him. But we donât know what Belfortâs been doing during all this time away and no matter how old Holyfield is, Belfort is stepping into his house. Holyfield absolutely has the experience and knowledge to take Vitor to school. But then I saw this⊠I know itâs just hitting pads and moving around a bit. Heâs obviously not gonna be giving 100% here. But watching this it really hits home, once again, that this shouldnât be happening. He looks good for 58 but then you see him moving andâŠheâs clearly 58. We touched on it in another thread but this was meant to go down in California before it got moved to Florida. Triller clearly donât give a fuck about Holyfieldâs safety here. With Ryan Kavanagh just casually saying âif the CSAC donât clear Evander, ahh fuck it move it to Floridaâ. So just ignore the reasons why the California commission said no? Lovely. Someoneâs going to get badly hurt on one of these Triller shows. Everyone had a chuckle at Ben Askren getting twatted but the weird matchmaking, the disregard for fighter safety and then having the likes of Snoop Dogg taking the piss out of the fighters on commentary just leaves a bad taste. Itâs all fun and games until someone actually gets fucked up in there. Hopefully it doesnât happen here. But yeah, completely at a loss to predict how this goes. I just hope they both make it out OK and get paid well enough to be happy to walk away for good. But we know that isnât happening. Oh and donât even get me started on Trumpâs involvement. What the fuck? Moving on. Yeah it keeps getting weirder. I donât recall anyone ever clamouring to see Anderson Silva vs Tito Ortiz the whole time they were in the UFC together. Now theyâre fighting under Boxing rules. This is âthe most anticipated fight card of the decadeâ though apparently. Not sure what the âREVENGEâ angle is here either. Anderson should obliterate this prick. Even a 46 year old way past his prime Anderson Silva. Heâs the way, way better striker/boxer here. And Titoâs striking was never much good in MMA, Tito without the threat of the takedown is gonna be useless. On top of that heâs agreed to take this fight at 195lbs which baffles me even more than his babbling nonsensical interviews. He canât have weighed 195 since about 1997/98. His head alone probably weighs 70lbs. He looks rough as fuck here; âSmashing his face with peopleâs elbowsâ indeed. I honestly donât get why heâs agreed to 195. He was up against it as it was here. A horrid weight cut thrown into the mix just makes his chances even slimmer. Iâd say maybe this is deliberate so that he can use the weight cut as an excuse after but I think thatâs giving the wally too much credit. Thereâs no reason why Anderson shouldnât be winning this handily. He looked decent against Chavez Jr recently. Say what you want about Chavez Jr but heâs still way better than Tito sodding Ortiz. Not sure what the end game for Anderson is with the Boxing itâs just cool to see him having fun out there. He was supposed to fight Logan Paul but then we ended up with this somehow. Maybe they revisit that if/when he clatters Tito in his massive bonce. Oh and the Hayemakerâs back⊠David Haye getting in on the madness. Why not? The more the merrier. At this point Iâm surprised they havenât got Butterbean and Shannon Briggs on the blower. Actually that reminds me, Haye vs Briggs was a thing at one point wasnât it? Nearly. Back when Haye was bashing up no hopers on Channel 5 before the Bellew losses. Wouldnât shock me at all if Haye vs Briggs is on a future Triller card. Anyway, this is weird enough in its own right. I donât recall ever hearing of Fournier but apparently heâs a nightclub owner who became a boxer. I guess everyone else is having a go. Him and Haye are good mates and the talk of his comeback, and this fight, stems from a drunken conversation between them on a night out. Sounds about right. Anyone else know more about this Fournier bloke? I read that heâs 9-0 and thatâs it.  Itâs one of those cards that has no right to be good, and probably wonât be, but with the names involved Iâve got to tune in. Edited September 10, 2021 by wandshogun09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted September 9, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted September 9, 2021 dear lord, i wasnt expecting a thread for this car crash. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paid Members Carbomb Posted September 10, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 Let's face it, wand: it'd be nice to think there's some kind of end game for Anderson other than money, but ultimately, I think that really is it. He's on that card to make the money he should've been paid for having a legendary career in MMA, and, whilst one could argue it's a bit of an undignified twilight, I think it'd be fair to say he's earned the right. After all, he wouldn't even be considered for the card if he hadn't been the fighter he was. I don't know if the whole social media/influencer aspect of Triller would have any bearing, but maybe these guys are also looking to cultivate a media profile that could be lucrative for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members WeeAl Posted September 10, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 Like, what the fuck? It's completely ridiculous, but I can't help but be intrigued by the whole sodding lot. Tito is in for a right old pasting. From what I hear, Vitor Belfort is back to looking like he's found the keys to the front door of the gym but not the exit door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted September 10, 2021 Author Paid Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, Carbomb said: Let's face it, wand: it'd be nice to think there's some kind of end game for Anderson other than money, but ultimately, I think that really is it. He's on that card to make the money he should've been paid for having a legendary career in MMA, and, whilst one could argue it's a bit of an undignified twilight, I think it'd be fair to say he's earned the right. After all, he wouldn't even be considered for the card if he hadn't been the fighter he was. I don't know if the whole social media/influencer aspect of Triller would have any bearing, but maybe these guys are also looking to cultivate a media profile that could be lucrative for them. Oh yeah itâs money. It always is. But I always thought the move into Boxing might also be a bucket list thing. The Roy Jones fight is something him and Roy both talked about wanting for years so I thought that seemed like the obvious route to take and could be kind of closure for Anderson. But Iâm sure I read recently that Anderson thinks that fight isnât going to happen now so maybe Royâs finally packed it in for good. The scary thing is, and it applies to all fighters, if itâs only about money then where does it end? When is enough money enough money? Like Kevin Nash says, if youâre standing at the cashpoint and thereâs a fuck up and it keeps just spitting out money, youâre not walking away. Iâm not even sure itâs all about not making enough in his MMA career either. It might be but I genuinely think some fighters would carry on forever if they could, even if they had a billion dollars in the bank and regardless of damage theyâve taken. You look at a guy like Cro Cop for example, Iâm convinced heâd have fought until he dropped if he wasnât forced to retire because of the stroke. It sounds horrible but in his case that was probably a blessing in disguise. 33 minutes ago, WeeAl said: Like, what the fuck? It's completely ridiculous, but I can't help but be intrigued by the whole sodding lot. Tito is in for a right old pasting. From what I hear, Vitor Belfort is back to looking like he's found the keys to the front door of the gym but not the exit door. Iâm not 100% sure when this was taken but I think itâs fairly recent; So yeah. But then I saw an interview with him the other day and he didnât look that good. Fuck knows and in the end Iâm not even sure itâs worth reading into when it comes to this fight because despite the talk and hype around âTRT Vitorâ, we havenât seen that beast since 2013. Even though heâll definitely be back on a shopping list of shit, A to the Z (Iron Sheik©), Iâm not sure he can perform at that level on or off the gear now. If he comes in looking like the above and wipes out an ancient Holyfield in a round or something though, itâll no doubt be a big talking point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 This is as close to PROID freak show fights as we are likely to ever get and Iâm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted September 10, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 Think the photo above was taken around the time Vitor was slated to fight in One. Recent training footage though makes it looks like he's fully back on the gas. Silva/Ortiz is a fair kind of matchup. I expect Silva to put a bit of hurting on Tito but at least it makes some kind of sense. Haye/Fournier is just weird. Haye's making a whack of cash for it, but the fact that one of the UK most popular boxers is returning and has barely caused a ripple in the ocean says it all really. Gotta watch to see if the fix is in. Holyfield/Belfort is just wrong. You gotta think Belfort has a few explosive rounds in him and i think he stop Holyfield in brutal fashion. Its gonna be hard to watch. Only think we can hope is that they've agreed to go easy and have a bit of fun with it. đ€ą Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted September 10, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, wandshogun09 said: Oh yeah itâs money. It always is. But I always thought the move into Boxing might also be a bucket list thing. The Roy Jones fight is something him and Roy both talked about wanting for years so I thought that seemed like the obvious route to take and could be kind of closure for Anderson. But Iâm sure I read recently that Anderson thinks that fight isnât going to happen now so maybe Royâs finally packed it in for good. The scary thing is, and it applies to all fighters, if itâs only about money then where does it end? When is enough money enough money? Like Kevin Nash says, if youâre standing at the cashpoint and thereâs a fuck up and it keeps just spitting out money, youâre not walking away. Iâm not even sure itâs all about not making enough in his MMA career either. It might be but I genuinely think some fighters would carry on forever if they could, even if they had a billion dollars in the bank and regardless of damage theyâve taken. You look at a guy like Cro Cop for example, Iâm convinced heâd have fought until he dropped if he wasnât forced to retire because of the stroke. It sounds horrible but in his case that was probably a blessing in disguise. Absolutely true, but I think in this particular case, the limit will most likely be when this fad for celebrity/freakshow boxing finally ends, which it will. I think the fighters taking part are probably doing so knowing that this is a rare window of opportunity to get paid a shit-ton despite being effectively done. Sure, there's a very significant and unmistakable element of combat sports being "in the blood", so to speak, and I'm sure that's why the likes of Jones Jr. and Toney carried on way past the point they should've stopped, but the Nash Principle is absolutely just as significant; these guys put themselves through too much shit to earn even the mere opportunity to earn more money than most people do in several lifetimes, and they probably don't want to waste it. It's one of the reasons I despise Plastic Caesar: he's your typical American capitalist cock-end who subscribes to all that mealy-mouthed, self-serving bullshit that looks to downplay the contributions of the people off whose backs he made his fortune in order to justify paying them a portion of what he probably should, and has even actively made decisions to negatively impact their pay (e.g. the Reebok deal) to give himself a bigger slice. What really clinches it for me is that you just know he knows deep down that what he does hasn't even a fraction of the hardship they go through. I'm not even advocating that they be paid the money that boxing gets, because that's clearly not there; it just strikes me that, when you consider how huge and wealthy the UFC is, the very least he could've done was not interfere with their independent sponsorship, which cost them nothing, and at most, paid them a bit more so that the lower-end fighters aren't putting themselves through more punishment than your average person in a shorter-than-average career to earn what amounts to average pay over a lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 I won't be watching this live, and not because I don't want to pay for it. I'm genuinely waiting on one of these events ending in tragedy, and this one seems the most likely thus far. A veteran of 57 fights, who's almost 60 years old and has sounded like he's slurring his words for a few years now, who was denied a license to box in California going up against a vicious striker who's 44 years old and gassed out his nut? I'm fairly certain someone will eventually get badly hurt or even killed in one of these events. And when that happens the whole thing is a bogey. At that point commissions will be have to answer why they allowed it to happen. I'm as much of a fight fan as anyone else, and the rest of this card actually looks okay. Anderson Silva, Tito Ortiz, David Haye? Slightly silly, but fair enough. They're still close enough to their prime to take this kind of risk. Holyfield wasn't licensed in California for a reason. And that reason is why I'll check the result of that fight before tracking the event down online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted September 10, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) this thing is really happening... Â Edited September 10, 2021 by Egg Shen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted September 10, 2021 Author Paid Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited)  Edit - Tito missed weight as well. Came in at 200lbs, so 5lbs over, and still looked sucked in. Edited September 10, 2021 by wandshogun09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members WeeAl Posted September 10, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 Anderson Silva is doing well from his opponent missing weight. Is that 20% he's gotten now from each of Chavez Jr and Tito Ortiz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kfogg1991 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 I've just read that apparently this starts at 10pm our time. 6:00 est. That really does make it abit more appealing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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