Merzbow Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 In regards to Joshi I'm curious about TJPW because the style of wrestling is so different, far far less about stiff looking work and almost all about character and gimmick. I know they split opinion when it comes to personal tastes but I'd imagine the training to be far different to what we've seen elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Hamptons Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 One that comes to mind is Kid Kash vs Pac at a 1PW show...   https://photos.app.goo.gl/Sn7MLMBbfqCn4tRY7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 16 hours ago, Merzbow said: In regards to Joshi I'm curious about TJPW because the style of wrestling is so different, far far less about stiff looking work and almost all about character and gimmick. I know they split opinion when it comes to personal tastes but I'd imagine the training to be far different to what we've seen elsewhere? TJPW definitely comes across as much more chilled out than most other promotions. I think DDT is invoked in training but can't say for sure. Their growth is pretty surprising. From shows in a tiny venue with no ring (and barely any wrestlers) to where they are now in only a few years. Saying that isn't the parent company absolutely minted and not afraid of throwing money around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, The King Of Swing said: TJPW definitely comes across as much more chilled out than most other promotions. I think DDT is invoked in training but can't say for sure. Their growth is pretty surprising. From shows in a tiny venue with no ring (and barely any wrestlers) to where they are now in only a few years. Saying that isn't the parent company absolutely minted and not afraid of throwing money around? The guys that bought up DDT and NOAH? Yeah true but to be fair to TJPW there was quite a bit of growth even before that with the first Kurakuen Hall show in like 2016? That reminds me I need to catch up on their shows, I've hearf there's been some great stuff this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted July 21, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2021 16 hours ago, Merzbow said: In regards to Joshi I'm curious about TJPW because the style of wrestling is so different, far far less about stiff looking work and almost all about character and gimmick. I know they split opinion when it comes to personal tastes but I'd imagine the training to be far different to what we've seen elsewhere? I think Joshi training is far less brutal than it used to be, largely because there isn't the demand. In the AJW days, they had so many young girls wanting to train that they ran really intense drills and fitness regimes before they ever set foot in the ring. A lot of women who made their name elsewhere - Emi Sakura, for example - did so because they didn't pass the entry requirements for AJW. As the scene has got much smaller, and tastes have changed, they just can't afford to train the same way. I know a few people who have trained with Meiko Satomura, and have been at one seminar she took part in, and they all say she's nothing like she was presented with those clips in GAEA Girls - what I've heard from a few people is that they were encouraged to be stiffer and more vicious for the cameras. I don't know how much of that came from the filmmakers (I'd be surprised if that was the case; Kim Longinotto was the director, and from what I've seen of her work it turns to be very hands-off and observational, but you never know), but I suspect it mostly came from Chigusa Nagoya and other higher-ups wanting to "protect the business". It's worth remembering that Meiko herself was only 20 or 21 at that point, so far more likely doing someone else's dirty work than being unduly stiff and aggressive on her own initiative. From what I remember, the main training in Tokyo Joshi Pro was handled by NOZOMI, who was an Ice Ribbon worker and so, I assume, an Emi Sakura trainee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members garynysmon Posted July 21, 2021 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) I still feel that the unnecessary harshness on trainees etc stems from wrestlers' historical insecurities or even an inferiority complex that what they're doing isn't a legitimate competitive sport. Beating the shit out of someone won't make them appreciate the business anymore. I'm sure its nowhere near as bad now that kayfabe is basically dead, but always that almost pathetic need to appear as 'hard' as possible. In a competitive sport its nowhere near as easy to keep someone down. If they're better than you then their natural talent usually shines through by the end. Edited July 21, 2021 by garynysmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Didn't Umaga beat the piss out of the Jackass crew because they weren't taking their segment seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Surf Digby Posted July 21, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2021 Yep, as discussed here. https://youtu.be/gg8LuvSh_dk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted July 21, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2021 This whole thread of the Steiners is amazing, but this bump - Jesus Christ. Absolutely terrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Healys Chutney Spoon Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Putting this in the Olympics thread too, but its not just wrestling where training is dodgy in Japan  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57924885 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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