The Natural Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 This is easily one of Dana White's biggest rants. Dana White is fucking pissed. Man he just tore into Greg Jackson right now. Our very own wandshogun09 will have enjoyed them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Alarm! Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 "I don't give a shit what Greg Jackson thinks. The guy's a fucking weirdo." "Greg Jackson should never be interviewed by anyone ever again except a psychiatrist." Christ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted August 23, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 23, 2012 Given how much stock Jackson's team put in effective game-plans & tailoring their training to a specific opponent, the fact that it's a title fight & the amount of money, endorsements etc are on the line I don't think you can put that much blame on Jones'. This reeks of Dana spitting his dummy out & being an prick about the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheman Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 did they really have to cancel the whole event though? what would replace it would have not been as good obviously but its a bit unfair for everyone else who was supposed to be on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted August 23, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted August 23, 2012 The whole card is off? Jesus Christ. I don't think the UFC has ever had to completely scrap a card before have they? Glad Hendo hasn't got to go under the knife. I've missed half the stream now as well. I hope it winds up on Youtube later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 The whole card is off? Jesus Christ. I don't think the UFC has ever had to completely scrap a card before have they? Dana White said it's the first time in eleven years a show is cancelled. I've missed half the stream now as well. I hope it winds up on Youtube later. Recap from f4wonline.com just up: Dana White lashed into Greg Jackson, who he blamed for telling Jon Jones not to take the fight with Chael Sonnen. "I'll go on record saying this guy is a fucking sport killer. This guy is from another planet. I've never seen nothing like this in my entire life." White said that they thought they were going to announce Jones vs. Sonnen and it wasn't until about 1 p.m. when they weren't able to convince Jones to take the fight. "This is one of those selfish disgusting decisions that doesn't just affect you, but you affected 16 other people's lives." "I don't think this is a decision that will make Jon Jones popular with fans, sponsors, cable distributors." White noted that Sonnen did not earn the title shot, but bad things happened and he stepped up and said, even without a camp, he'd fly to Las Vegas tonight and fight if needed. He also noted that Sonnen's girlfriend's father just had a stroke and he was with hm and still ready to take the fight. Dan Henderson suffered a partial tear in his MCL several days ago. White said Henderson tried to train through it, and UFC found out on Sunday or Monday about the injury and flew him to Las Vegas. Their doctor diagnosed the injury, said he would have problems with lateral movement and problems in a number of positions. Henderson doesn't appear to need surgery but he wasn't going to be ready to fight. While he wouldn't specify a dollar figure, White conceded this was going to be a massive financial hit. All ticket money for the show is being refunded, which in and of itself is well over $1 million and with casino buys likely well over $2 million. All the publicity, commercials cut, etc. is a loss. "It's huge, there were supposed to be prelims on FX, all the marketing money we already spent, the billboard in Times Square, all over the country, the media, all the TV ads that have been running. I'ts a massive, massive hit." There is no decision on what will happen to the undercard fights. They will likely be spread over the next several shows. This is the first time a UFC show was canceled this late in the game. There was a show in Montreal canceled earlier this year, but it was a few months out and before tickets were put on sale. White buried Jones, and believes this is going to hurt his popularity. "It's in Jon Jones' head that he didn't prepare for this guy." "As much as he's won and all the things he's accomplished, he been a champion who wasn't been very popular and I don't think this will do wonders for his popularity. Me and Lorenzo are both disgusted." When asked about if the Machida fight was signed, he said the bout agreements were sent and Jones knows about the fight. It should be noted that just two days ago, Jones reiterated that he didn't want to fight Machida because he's a businessman and he didn't think the Machida fight would do well on PPV. "I can tell you this right now, he's not turning down the Machida fight. If I get a call he won't fight Machida, we'll have another conference call later this afternoon and it won't be good." White said that Jones didn't ask for more money to face Machida on 9/22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TildeGuy~! Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Charlie Brenneman who was scheduled to fight on the card has weighed in with his thoughts on Twitter... Charlie Brenneman @SpaniardMMA @jonnybones u can send my check to PO box 198. EH NJ. Rent is due the first, so preferably by then. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted August 23, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted August 23, 2012 Has Dana said anything about what happens to the rest of the fighters on the card now? Their fights just get moved to other cards I guess right? What a mess. I feel sorry for the rest of the fighters on the card who would have trained hard, brought trainers in and sparring partners which all costs money, arranged their travel and all that, and all the ballache of cutting weight and tailoring their training to peak for this show. And all the people who bought tickets, booked flights and hotels and shit. What an absolute shambles this has turned out to be. EDIT - Never mind. Thanks a lot for the recap Natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Has Dana said anything about what happens to the rest of the fighters on the card now? Their fights just get moved to other cards I guess right? I think Dana said he's unsure right now. I think that will happen. michael@bisping Jones said he's not fighting chael on 8 days notice. I did. .... Just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted August 23, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 23, 2012 Greg Jackson responds to Dana White Minutes after UFC president Dana White announced that UFC 151 was cancelled because Light Heavyweight Champion Jon Jones declined to fight potential Dan Henderson injury replacement Chael Sonnen, Mauro Ranallo talked to Jones' head trainer Greg Jackson about the fallout, specifically White's comments about Jackson being "an (expletive) sport killer". Jackson pointed out that Jones didn't turn down the fight on eight days notice but that it's really three days due to fight week being full of weight cutting and media obligations. "I was asked if it was smart to take a fight on three days notice and I don't think it's smart to do that," Jackson said on The MMA Show. "Three days to fight a guy that caliber is not a smart thing to do. I'm not trying to ruin the sport or cancel an event. I don't know about that stuff, but thought it wasn't a wise course of action." Jackson said that to fight someone of Sonnen's caliber, you "need to have a full training camp. That would seem smart to me. Fighting on three days notice isn't taking (the sport) seriously to me." He added that the decision wasn't solely his, but that Jones' entire team met and discussed whether to take the Sonnen fight on short notice. He merely added his opinion. At the time of the interview, Jackson said he hadn't talked to Jones yet. He was also surprised at the negative reaction from White. After the jump, get the details about what Jackson thinks about his relationship with White given Thursday's comments. On his feelings toward White now, Jackson said that he wasn't mad but confused. "I really like Dana and respect him...there is no ill feelings. I'm more confused than anything else." "It's a serious fight with serious ramifications. I don't think I need to reach out to Dana. I didn't mean to cancel an event and was asked to give an opinion and I gave it. We all got together and are on the same sheet of music. These guys are professional promoters and that's what they do," he continued. "I didn't know they had it all riding on one fight. It's one of those things...as a trainer. I'll give you my opinion. I'm not a yes man...I do what's best for my guy. I'm surprised by the veracity of his response but that's my opinion." Jackson also said that if Sonnen was presented as an opponent for Jones in late-September instead of Lyoto Machida, they would have taken the fight. "In this case (of the short notice fight), it's a world title fight in the best sport in the world on three days notice. This isn't backyard brawling...it's a professional sport." "I think Chael is brilliant. He circumvented an entire division...went right from Anderson (Silva) to Jon. It's brilliant...he's got nothing to lose and everything to gain. I'm always impressed by him," Jackson said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 In regards to the other fights Dana just said "we will figure something out" I was really up for Chael vs Jones and this will be the best chance we will ever see of it happening, I cannot see Chael going on a major run at 205lbs, not to say he will not win a few but I doubt he will do enough to get a title shot. He will have a field day with Jones though now. I wonder why Jackson felt Chael was such a bad-match up for Jones at this point. Maybe they saw is charging wrestling style as a threat, as Chael does just charge in not giving a fuck, maybe they felt that could give Jones problems as Rashad and others have not really exploded with takedowns on Jones. Jones would have beaten Chael no doubt, but by the sounds of things Jackson advised against Sonnen due to the style of match-up not that Chael did not deserve a shot. Even though Jackson has claimed that Jones was preparing for Hendo and Chael is a different style, I think the fact that Jones had a full training camp and the same 8 days to prepare a gameplan that Chael would have to prepare a gameplan would be enough to give Jones an even bigger advantage. As a big Machida fan I hope he has enough time to prepare proper, I am cynical to his chances but at least now that Toronto show looks top draw. Edit: Posted this without seeing all of Jackson's comments, discount my observations where he has answered why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted August 23, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted August 23, 2012 Jones had all the advantages over Chael. Bigger, younger, faster, reach, great defensive wrestling, good striking and submissions. Plus a full training camp. Yeah not a full training camp for Chael but he'd have been working his wrestling for Hendo and he'd be in top shape at least. Chael had no training camp. I actually think he'd be an easier fight for Jones than Hendo was imo. Great wrestler but Jones has breezed through every wrestler he's faced. The guys who have tried to wrestle him have been his easiest wins. Chael wouldn't be winning a striking match with Jones and lacks the power to hurt him. I get the short notice thing but now he's got about 3 weeks to train for Lyoto, a trickier fight than Chael and he's massively in the dog house with his bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted August 23, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 23, 2012 This completes Jones' big heel turn then. Supremo summed up the nuttiness of Jones' decision; fight an ill-prepared Sonnen and worst case scenario you somehow lose and get a monster re-match. Mental. The proceeding Dana rants somewhat make up for the 151 show getting canned. Dana moving on to 152 instead of just calling 152 151 is a nice move. Forever in history 151 will be the non-event that Jones walked out on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted August 23, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted August 23, 2012 This completes Jones' big heel turn then. Supremo summed up the nuttiness of Jones' decision; fight an ill-prepared Sonnen and worst case scenario you somehow lose and get a monster re-match. Mental. The proceeding Dana rants somewhat make up for the 151 show getting canned. Dana moving on to 152 instead of just calling 152 151 is a nice move. Forever in history 151 will be the non-event that Jones walked out on. It really is an odd decision when you think about it. Can't wait for the inevitable Chael outburst now. Never even thought about the chronology of the numbered events getting ballsed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted August 23, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 23, 2012 Regardless whether taking the Chael fight was better business or not do people think Jones was out of order for not taking the Sonnen fight or given the time scale involved think it's reasonable given the title's on the line? I'm not a fan of Jon Jones at all but I think he's within his right here, it's not his fault Hendo got hurt & it's not his fault the UFC booked a PPV with an undercard with no real names, or fights of any consequence that could've been bumped up & save the event. I doubt Charlie Brenneman would be as quick to tweet that to Dana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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