patiirc Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Â Perhaps its Gordon FREEMAN.. Maybe thats just me though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted June 17, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted June 17, 2011 ironically that twat lawyer who uses loopholes to get people off speeding fines is called Nick Freeman, yet he's never used the "freeman" defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Every year or two we have elections in this country, local or general, and that is the in-built opportunity for people to effect actual change to the system, and yet about 40% don't even bother to vote, and those who do tend to vote for the usual hegemony - Labour or Tories. People, basically, like to complain a lot, but aren't much fussed about actually doing anything about it. They'd rather partake in silly and ultimately pointless displays of ignorance like this Birkenhead thing. It's a bit rich complaining about the Tory-Labour hegemony when you're a Liberal Democrat. Our political system is fucked to the point of leaving the majority of the country completely disenfranchised. The Birkenhead thing may have been a display of ignorance, but getting a load of people together and storming a courthouse is not necessarily less likely to effect actual change to the system than voting in local or general elections. Particularly because of the hegemony that you mentioned. Is storming a courthouse and spreading the word about it really less effective political action than voting for a fringe party? Certainly in Birkenhead, there is absolutely zero chance of effecting political change through the ballot box. One of the safest Labour seats in the country, held by a right-wing arsehole for the last 32 years. Â Indeed. If only we could have a change of voting system in this country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Every year or two we have elections in this country, local or general, and that is the in-built opportunity for people to effect actual change to the system, and yet about 40% don't even bother to vote, and those who do tend to vote for the usual hegemony - Labour or Tories. People, basically, like to complain a lot, but aren't much fussed about actually doing anything about it. They'd rather partake in silly and ultimately pointless displays of ignorance like this Birkenhead thing. It's a bit rich complaining about the Tory-Labour hegemony when you're a Liberal Democrat. Our political system is fucked to the point of leaving the majority of the country completely disenfranchised. The Birkenhead thing may have been a display of ignorance, but getting a load of people together and storming a courthouse is not necessarily less likely to effect actual change to the system than voting in local or general elections. Particularly because of the hegemony that you mentioned. Is storming a courthouse and spreading the word about it really less effective political action than voting for a fringe party? Certainly in Birkenhead, there is absolutely zero chance of effecting political change through the ballot box. One of the safest Labour seats in the country, held by a right-wing arsehole for the last 32 years. Indeed. If only we could have a change of voting system in this country... Couldn't the defeat of the "Yes" vote in the voting system referendum be blamed partly on "those who abuse their power and seek to control the masses"? Â Those who benefit from the status quo being maintained managed to use the tabloids and other forms of media to convince the population that a change was a bad idea, pretty much in the same way that they've convinced the majority that the harsh cuts in public services is required, whilst we must continue paying the people responsible for the economic crash their big wages for fear that they'll up sticks and leave us for sunnier climes. Â Those who were championing a "no" vote were those currently in power, and those who hold sway over what the media says and prints, which in turn plays a major role in the information that the population gets on any given subject. Â Anyone who thought they were actually going to see a change in how things were run politically in the UK are more deluded than Duane could ever be accused of being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Halitosis Romantic Posted June 17, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted June 17, 2011 Right so what I'm getting from all this here is basically if I killed someone and got arrested as long as when they ask are you MR DAN WILLIAMS all I have to do is say no and I'm home and dry right? Â So they believe. "Are you DAN WILLIAMS" is apparently legal shorthand for "Do you agree that you are the embodiment of the legal fiction of DAN WILLIAMS created and controlled by the government upon the issue of your birth certificate, under Maritime Law as established by the Great Fire of London, and that by responding to this question you enter into a contract with the current Queen that derives from Magna Carta but build upon that by agreeing to recognizing the power of the UK Parliament to pass legislation that will be signed by said Queen even if it contravenes the oath she swore upon her Coronation, and that as a consequence of this agreement you consent to be punished for breaching said legislation." Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Every year or two we have elections in this country, local or general, and that is the in-built opportunity for people to effect actual change to the system, and yet about 40% don't even bother to vote, and those who do tend to vote for the usual hegemony - Labour or Tories. People, basically, like to complain a lot, but aren't much fussed about actually doing anything about it. They'd rather partake in silly and ultimately pointless displays of ignorance like this Birkenhead thing. It's a bit rich complaining about the Tory-Labour hegemony when you're a Liberal Democrat. Our political system is fucked to the point of leaving the majority of the country completely disenfranchised. The Birkenhead thing may have been a display of ignorance, but getting a load of people together and storming a courthouse is not necessarily less likely to effect actual change to the system than voting in local or general elections. Particularly because of the hegemony that you mentioned. Is storming a courthouse and spreading the word about it really less effective political action than voting for a fringe party? Certainly in Birkenhead, there is absolutely zero chance of effecting political change through the ballot box. One of the safest Labour seats in the country, held by a right-wing arsehole for the last 32 years. Indeed. If only we could have a change of voting system in this country... Couldn't the defeat of the "Yes" vote in the voting system referendum be blamed partly on "those who abuse their power and seek to control the masses"? Â Those who benefit from the status quo being maintained managed to use the tabloids and other forms of media to convince the population that a change was a bad idea, pretty much in the same way that they've convinced the majority that the harsh cuts in public services is required, whilst we must continue paying the people responsible for the economic crash their big wages for fear that they'll up sticks and leave us for sunnier climes. Â Those who were championing a "no" vote were those currently in power, and those who hold sway over what the media says and prints, which in turn plays a major role in the information that the population gets on any given subject. Â Anyone who thought they were actually going to see a change in how things were run politically in the UK are more deluded than Duane could ever be accused of being. Â Ultimately it's the voters' choice. The British public had a once in a lifetime opportunity to change the way politics works, and they voted against it in a pathetic attempt to protest against the Lib Dems' decision over which party to form a coalition with. You can be sure that voters in Libya, Egypt or Lebanon wouldn't have been so feckless and stupid. We get the politicians we deserve, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Ultimately it's the voters' choice. The British public had a once in a lifetime opportunity to change the way politics works, and they voted against it in a pathetic attempt to protest against the Lib Dems' decision over which party to form a coalition with. You can be sure that voters in Libya, Egypt or Lebanon wouldn't have been so feckless and stupid. We get the politicians we deserve, in my opinion. I'll agree that a lot of people voted against it to spite the Liberal Democrats, but it also came down to the propaganda as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Agree with David and the moment The The Sun compared the propsed system to facism it was over of course the Lib Dems didn't help matters by selling out on virtually everything they promised for a chance to pretend that they are in Government. Â Still though the British public for the most part are fucking idiots who are more interested in celeb gossip then real issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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