Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 3, 2012 Anyway, without joining the anti-Dana parade, his latest on the HOF is a cracker. Â "Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 3, 2012 You are making me sound boring now, I watched Silva vs Liddel on my own with a chocolate mousse I am amazed I remember that. Â There's absolutely nothing boring about chocolate mousse. And at least you can remember the fight as it aired. Â I thought I remembered it. Ever since that fight I always thought I watched it on the Sunday night with my brother. When my mate and my girlfriend told me otherwise I asked my brother and he said he wasn't even in the fucking country at the time What the fuck was wrong with me? And looking back he's right. He was away for the New Year with his girlfriend. I must be remembering watching Chuck vs Wandy with him when he got back because he said I was raving about the fight when he came home. Â I knew I was in a bit of a state back then but fuck me, it's scary how there's a period there where I can't remember anything. And what's weird is I remember going to UFC 80 crystal clear like it was last week and that was only a month after that. Â So yeah, chocolate mousse sounds like much a better plan. I swear if it wasn't for my mate, who's teetotal, getting me to do at least some 'normal' stuff around that time, I'd probably be dead now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted July 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 3, 2012 This HOF thing has soured me a little. Dana may as well come out and say "it's my company, I'll do what I like" instead of giving us this bullshit. By his own logic, guys like Severn and Coleman don't belong near the HOF if Shamrock doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted July 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 3, 2012 yeh Dana's argument that the HOF includes guys that did a lot for the the Zuffa UFC is pretty much nonsence when you consider a couple of the guys that are in there (and who deserve to be in there). It's a weird one. In many it doesn't matter, but i wish the UFC would sometimes put personal differences aside when it comes to things like this. Â Does anyone actually know why Frank and the UFC don't get on? I know it's gotta be some kind of contract issue, but i don't know details. Â One thing i will say is, i hold some judgement on things like this because i don't think we get the whole story. Dana has said many crazy things over the years and he's sometimes gone back on what he said and allowed certain things to happen, but there's certain things he's dead against and it seems that nothing will build the bridge to fix it...Frank Shamrock is one of those situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 3, 2012 36 years ago today an Axe Murderer named Wanderlei Silva was born. Â And a year ago yesterday Chris Leben knocked him out in 27 seconds. The day before his birthday. What a bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Wand- I think the problem with replacing Dana is that there is no one, Lorenzo is a bit too dull from what I have seen to front the company plus he is caught up with his gambling ventures. Couture would be a good fit, a former fighter who is well spoken just like Oscar De Le Hoya, sadly he seems more interested in acting, the job of public figurehead takes up all your time.  Bang on about Tito, but Dana will never admit it. I also felt he did the right thing with Chuck, but did he do it soon enough? The last fight was a bit too far in some peoples eyes. It is nitpicking because as said some vultures would have still going out there now.  And again glad you beat your personal problems, and how you can be candid about them  EBB - Frank and Zuffa I believe did get on for a while, he was a commentator on some of their early shows if I recall correctly. They teased Tito vs Frank 2 several times on air, and it looked at one point that it was going to happen. I guess that is where something happened, Frank says he did not like how they did business, I am sure Dana has his own version of events. He pops up briefly in the crowd for UFC 40 before Tito vs Ken, but is not seen after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL ON METAL Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 RE: the whole Shamrock/HOF thing. It's simple, if you slag a company off at almost every opportunity - you're not going to be asked to be in their HOF. Â It's fair enough really, can't see why there is outrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted July 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 3, 2012 RE: the whole Shamrock/HOF thing. It's simple, if you slag a company off at almost every opportunity - you're not going to be asked to be in their HOF. Â It's fair enough really, can't see why there is outrage. Â Very good point. Does Frank deserve to be in there? Absolutely, but if you are calling the president of the company a scum bag in every interview you aren't exactly doing yourself any favours. Â It's actually baffling when you consider that Dana/Zuffa is actually his boss at this moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 RE: the whole Shamrock/HOF thing. It's simple, if you slag a company off at almost every opportunity - you're not going to be asked to be in their HOF. Â It's fair enough really, can't see why there is outrage. Â Very good point. Does Frank deserve to be in there? Absolutely, but if you are calling the president of the company a scum bag in every interview you aren't exactly doing yourself any favours. Â It's actually baffling when you consider that Dana/Zuffa is actually his boss at this moment. Technically not, he is employed by Showtime not Strikeforce/ZUFFA Â To be fair he did cool it down for a while, they had a meeting at some point in late 2010 I believe that went very poorly. Dana contended that Frank was two faced and Frank felt Dana was a bully. The reason for the meeting if I recall was to find some common ground, but as Dana said here he was not interested, so god knows what the point was of the meeting in the first place. Â Â Its a shame at that point Dana could not put his feelings aside, I do not blame Frank for speaking ill of Dana after that. Dana's personal opinion and grudge should not stop him going in, whats he want Frank to do after that speak nicely about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Chael Sonnen on Matt Hughes  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whuPPclAcFE...feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL ON METAL Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Its a shame at that point Dana could not put his feelings aside, I do not blame Frank for speaking ill of Dana after that. Dana's personal opinion and grudge should not stop him going in, whats he want Frank to do after that speak nicely about him. Â See, you are saying that as if its just Dana with a grudge. Frank does himself no favours at all, slags off anyone and everyone when given the platform to do so. Â Shamrock is the one on TV crying that he should be in the HOF, yet in the same sentence calls the head of the company "a total douchebag". Then wonders why Dana doesn't like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Its a shame at that point Dana could not put his feelings aside, I do not blame Frank for speaking ill of Dana after that. Dana's personal opinion and grudge should not stop him going in, whats he want Frank to do after that speak nicely about him. Â See, you are saying that as if its just Dana with a grudge. Frank does himself no favours at all, slags off anyone and everyone when given the platform to do so. Â Shamrock is the one on TV crying that he should be in the HOF, yet in the same sentence calls the head of the company "a total douchebag". Then wonders why Dana doesn't like him. I can agree that Frank should handle it better, the "douchebag" comment was a bit silly. He does have a fair point about Dana being a bit too overbearing at times and that could be the reason why NY do not pass MMA due to him representing it. Â I think Dana is the main culprit but both for the betterment of the HOF, should put the grudge aside. Its a petty waste of time from both ends, I expect both to say "well he started it" any day now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutch Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Dana White has fuck all to do with MMA not getting into NY, it's a union thing with Station Casinos and that's the Fertittas business. Â The HOF is like the WWE one, it's just whoever they like at that point will go in it, it means very little. They are both as bad as each other, Frank Shamrock does some annoying things and he put his name to that California law thing that could have cost the UFC (Bellator, Strikeforce & the local scene as well) millions or they would have all stopped running shows there. Â As far as getting someone else to be the face of the UFC, I find all that shit tiring, he's been there 10 years and people have been moaning about him stunting their growth since around TUF 1, people talk about him when he says crazy things and that's free publicity, he's capable of being the bad guy when a decision most wont like needs to be be done or said. Has anyone sat through a UFC press conference when Dana White wasn't there? Marshall Zelanik & Reed Harris and that don't know the answers to most of the questions because they aren't in the meeting rooms when the important stuff is being discussed so that would hold a guy like Randy Couture back and Lorenzo Fertitta is busy as fuck dealing with the International side of things and probably likes playing the good cop to Dana's bad cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 3, 2012 It's all well and good for people to say 'well Frank Shamrock slagged him off' and that's true, But Dana's not saying that is he? If he just came out and said 'He's not going in because I think he's a cunt, and it's my company so swivel' then fair enough. It's this bullshit reasoning that he doesn't deserve to go in, isn't worthy, did nothing for 'the new UFC' that I think has rubbed people the wrong way. Because its clearly a load of old shite. Â Shamrock was unbeaten in the UFC and left as champ. If we're talking contributions to the 'new UFC', he was actually instrumental in BJ Penn's early success with AKA. I'd say being a key figure in the development of the most successful 155er in MMA is a contribution. More than that, he was one of the first to put the disciplines together and be well rounded, he influenced guys to cross train when it wasn't common. Â Im not even a fan of Frank, I think he's a twat but I'd hoped the UFC HOF amounted to more than just who's on Dana's Christmas card list. I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutch Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hopefully the MMA press or someone independent set up a hall of fame, that way people can get voted in and perhaps a little award ceremony for the few guys that get inducted each year. Â The likes of Sakuraba & Fedor are sure things for a hall of fame, they probably will never get into the UFC hall of fame, even Sakuraba's UFC tournament win was a bit of a joke and Fedor has never fought in the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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