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Apologies if i misunderstood this quote, but I thought that the first part was a different way of saying what I had said. Apologies for getting it wrong.

Nothing of the sort at all. Maybe got a little overzealous with posts on the 2024/2025 dying thread and not ones people were overly familiar with, much like some of the ones recently who I dont know or arent familiar with. Then the 'reputation' seemed to stick I did believe there should be capital punishment for the most heinous of crimes, but @deathreys post has made me think a lot harder about my position on that. Society perhaps would feel better in so much as the worst are dead....but would it really feel like justice? @wordsfromlee you can be in favour of something but not necessarily for all situations. There's a broad range of things under one heading of sexual abuse and capital punishment. The things Donaldson did, that he's been convicted of that we know about, deserves a much more severe punishment as it was repeated and premeditated than something that maybe could be construed as a one-off drunken fumble that wasn't asked for but still is horrible for the victim. Having read the room and tried to explain my position, maybe not in the best of ways, I'm bowing out as I am accepting I'm in the minority but have taken on board what others have said and will research further the links provided and have listened to the arguments put forward. Maybe emotion overruled logic at times, but an interesting eye opener for me. Thanks all 😀

Yeah ummmm ummmm I've got nothing really back against this. Well put argument @Carbomb I will look that up. Thank you. @RedTwoster frankly no I wouldn't do it myself, however I'd imagine there is quite a few who would do it. To a lesser extent its like a friend of mine who's a police officer and he was asked about becoming a firearms officer and was like 'absolutely not'

Its interesting reading the replies and quite a few have merit and have made me think and look further into things. I fully accept I'm in the minority on here based on replies, and always will be, but its a debate that I think will gather momentum in years to come, however I dont think it will ever come back. I'll put an example scenario out there, and I apologise now for anyone that gets upset or brings back bad memories or experiences. It's a difficult thing to navigate and everyone has difficulties in their backgrounds and the last thing I want is to cause any sadness or pain of past experiences, but I'm just putting this forward as a possible scenario. ' Yhe prison service are now tasked with protecting this man for the remainder of his life from the other inmates. Society has to feed and clothe this man, as well as providing stimulation, accommodation, security, payment, etc for potentially 60yrs or so costing however many hundreds of thousands, if not millions of £s. I cannot think of a reason after such a heinous and sadistic scenario where society should allow this man to exist. I also look to the likes of Levi Bellfield, Peter Sutcliffe, Beverly Allitt, Harold Shipman, Roy Whiting, the Wests, Victoria Climbie's killers and others of that ilk who we as a society have/had a duty to now protect, despite the horrid things they did. I do not feel that we should use all those resources on people who have zero remorse or care for what they did. However I wouldn't leave it simply in the hands of one or two people and it would need the unanimous agreement of multiple judges, not politicians, to confirm the conviction. Apologies for not wording it clearly regarding secret trials. I meant secretly carried out but fully recorded and revealed in full straight afterwards so no possibility of cover ups or redactions, etc. Also secret as in they cannot be reported on in the way that Brand's trial is at the moment with daily podcasts and the like. Im no rabid right wing 'string em all up' types, far from it, but in a careful considered and correctly safeguarded way I believe capital punishment is a possible deterrent. I'm not convinced its the only way, but how do we know it isnt a deterrent? Yes murders and sexual abuse and the like still goes on, and always will in the society we live in, but we need to root out the repeat offenders and those that get sadistic pleasure out of suffering and torturing others and not just a 'fight that got out of hand scenario'. If that means they are removed from society by the government then so be it. It won't change and almost certainly will never come back into our society, but there, like others alluded to further up, who wouldn't shed tears over the worst dregs of society dying for their crimes, such as @LaGoosh post.

I agree that proper safeguards need to be in place (and unlike the Americans, make sure you actually are capable of following through on the penalty!) but if all criteria are met then there should be no reason it can't go ahead. For example I would say that the following would be a reasonable starting point for safeguards (very simplified of course) Only certain crimes carry the possibility of the death penalty - child sex abuse, murder, severe national security sabotage/treason, etc Trials are held in secret with no press allowed in and ANY leaks result in contempt of court and charges immediately brought. All trials are witnessed by a jury who make a decision. The evidence given by both prosecution and defence is then seen by a 2nd jury and if they also find guilty then it goes to the Supreme Court to make the final ruling. If needs be, the evidence could be 'blindly' sent to 3 senior judges to review and if all in agreement then the same verdict of execution is returned it is set up and carried out. Alternatively, if an admission of guilt is made or there is absolute irrefutable evidence of it being that person (clearly seen on video/DNA/etc) then it immediately goes to the Supreme Court to decide. The other option is instead of execution is a lifetime in prison in solitary with minimum terms which would take the person's age to say 100 so there is very little chance of them ever being released into the outside world or having contact with humans outside the prison service again. Alternatively of course there is always the option that outsiders can pass judgement and supply their own judgements on what the punishment should be, whether it actually happens or not.

Agree with Davis. I think back to him and Fletcher on the All In pre-show against MJF and Cole and thinking 'both these guys look good, I hope they get given a chance'. 3yrs on and look at them now. Just shows how AEW is willing to give guys a chance and work out characters and improve skills rather than the 'sink or swim' attitude that WWE seems to have with new guys coming in. Also its hard to pick which 8 guys should be in the CC this year. Mox is certain but the other 7 is hard. 3-4 probably pick themselves (Claudio, Connors or Finlay, Davis, Allin?, MJF?)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c94g1pjmxg0ko Seems like Donaldson did even more and may face a rape charge at Parliament alongside other allegations coming out. Disgraceful and shameful behaviour. Joking aside, abusers like this should face capital punishment

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We missed the first couple of matches at All In buy-in and there was thousands still queuing, even after we got moved to the front of the queue. When we were at Westlife the doors were an hour before the support act was on and barely any queues. Same as when we went to Forbidden Door and flew straight through to our seats. Guess different venues have different methods and ideas, but its just personal preference really.

We managed for yonks without creating more plastic packaging for these items. Plus there are aids to assist with these problems rather than paying for expensive pre packaged food.

Couple of easy wins: Universal tins - Looking at you Heinz for using non-stackable tins! People selling boiled eggs - precooked and shelled so loads of packaging for them! If only there was some sort of natural casing they could come in so you didn't need to waste everyone's time opening them up..same goes for peeled oranges and other fruits and vegetables. Extend the time the doors open depending on attendance. If there's 400 people in then 30mins is enough. If there's 40,000 then 30mins isn't enough time...All In was a prime example for this

I see what you did there

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwdr8grnykrlo Well this will be interesting to see how long it is before someone takes a pop at him. 15yrs is a long time these days for that sort of offence, so it must be pretty bad. Personally he should hang, as should all child abusers.