Keith Houchen Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, Lord-Mountevans said: You can be ignorant without being racist. Yeah, racism comes from a place of hate, casual racism doesn't. At least that's how I look at it. Casual racism can be avoided and changed whereas out and out racism probably can't.
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted December 3, 2018 Paid Members Posted December 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, Armitage Shanks said: It's not me being sensitive about this. Maybe if you were more sensitive about these things then you wouldn't have said such a stupid thing in the first place.
Armitage Shanks Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: Yeah, racism comes from a place of hate, casual racism doesn't. At least that's how I look at it. Casual racism can be avoided and changed whereas out and out racism probably can't. So I'm not a racist in your book then? So why call me it? Anyway to reiterate this isn't about racism, it's about your vendetta against me.
Steve Justice Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 There's a difference between ignorance and uneducated. Choosing to ignore when someone is trying to educate you, and getting arsey about it, is pure ignorance.
Keith Houchen Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 No, I believe you are a massive, massive racist.
Armitage Shanks Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, Steve Justice said: There's a difference between ignorance and uneducated. Choosing to ignore when someone is trying to educate you, and getting arsey about it, is pure ignorance. Not when the person trying to "educate you" is doing so to be an arse themselves.
Lord-Mountevans Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Keith Houchen said: Yeah, racism comes from a place of hate, casual racism doesn't. At least that's how I look at it. Casual racism can be avoided and changed whereas out and out racism probably can't. But ignorance is not "casual racism", it's ignorance. You could be oblivious to a comment you made that others may deem "racist" or "casually racist" & if that comment contains zero hatred in it, then an apology for a foolish mistake should be enough & we can move onto getting rid of genuine racism.
Steve Justice Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, Armitage Shanks said: Not when the person trying to "educate you" is doing so to be an arse themselves. Whether he's doing it to be an arse or not is besides the point. What he's saying is correct.
Steve Justice Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Lord-Mountevans said: But ignorance is not "casual racism", it's ignorance. You could be oblivious to a comment you made that others may deem "racist" or "casually racist" & if that comment contains zero hatred in it, then an apology for a foolish mistake should be enough & we can move onto getting rid of genuine racism. That's not ignorance. That's not knowing.
Keith Houchen Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lord-Mountevans said: But ignorance is not "casual racism", it's ignorance. You could be oblivious to a comment you made that others may deem "racist" or "casually racist" & if that comment contains zero hatred in it, then an apology for a foolish mistake should be enough & we can move onto getting rid of genuine racism. The person making the comment doesn't get to say if it's racist or not, but you're right, if you make a casually racist comment and learn from it being pointed out, then fair enough. If you keep using it, that's when it moves into racist territory for me. I'm aware that I probably make problematic comments, when I'm called out or challenged on them, I learn why it's offensive, apologise and not use them again.
Steve Justice Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Keith Houchen said: The person making the comment doesn't get to say if it's racist or not, but you're right, if you make a casually racist comment and learn from it being pointed out, then fair enough. If you keep using it, that's when it moves into racist territory for me. I'm aware that I probably make problematic comments, when I'm called out or challenged on them, I learn why it's offensive, apologise and not use them again. For those keeping score, this is not ignorance. This is being educated and having the decency to use that education to not cause offence.
Armitage Shanks Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Lord-Mountevans said: But ignorance is not "casual racism", it's ignorance. You could be oblivious to a comment you made that others may deem "racist" or "casually racist" & if that comment contains zero hatred in it, then an apology for a foolish mistake should be enough & we can move onto getting rid of genuine racism. Yes fair point, as pointed out my comments were not meant to cause offence. I apologise for mistaken her as an Indian. But back to my origional point.....I'd wallop her ?
Armitage Shanks Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: The person making the comment doesn't get to say if it's racist or not, but you're right, if you make a casually racist comment and learn from it being pointed out, then fair enough. If you keep using it, that's when it moves into racist territory for me. I wasn't saying if it was racist or not, and I never kept using it. I just argued that I wasn't racist.
Lord-Mountevans Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Steve Justice said: That's not ignorance. That's not knowing. OK "not knowing" then, call it what you want. Just don't shout "racist" unless someone is being hateful. Laugh at them, argue with them, correct them. But know what true racism is and don't overreact to a foolish comment made by an ignorant person.
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