seanz25 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I'm not certain on anything but I'd imagine this is all in small terms and conditions of the contract. Â UFC probably have a cancellation date whereby they don't have to spunk much money put if they cancel the event with the providers. Whether that's up by now or not I haven't got a clue, PPV's not cheap to run though both for the PPV providers and the UFC and this show at the moment does numbers IMO less than 100,000. I'd imagine if there's no replacements avaliable then they'll reach an agreement with the provider's that it's not worth either party's time and UFC will just throw it on FP, that way tickets don't need to be returned, production crew costs down the shitter and that either. Â The other issue will be how much it'll cost them to cancel Sage/Hendricks/ETC's fights. Those guys are on decent money and I have no clue how the contracts are structured, but remember it costs them to go on fight camps, thus if the events cancelled and they don't get a pay off they'll be down money which I don't imagine will leave many impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted January 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted January 25, 2016 I guess its a different proposition with fight pass, but back when they cancelled the Jones card, they had ufc.TV in play. They could have moved it to there or had it on free TV if it were easy to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanz25 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I guess its a different proposition with fight pass, but back when they cancelled the Jones card, they had ufc.TV in play. They could have moved it to there or had it on free TV if it were easy to do so. Different time in terms of US Internet speeds, only very recently has the Internet streaming deal been a real viable solution, plus FP is a money spinner. Theres still some value in Big Rig etc that could generate FP subs or interest those already watching. Will be interesting to see what they do here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted January 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted January 25, 2016 Just to add it was actually ufc 151 that was cancelled, not 157. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanz25 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 There's people on Twitter shouting for Josh Barrnett to fight on the card, he's fighting this weekend on Fox right? I'm getting cards mixed up (Mentioned Sage earlier!) presuming he is, I highly doubt he'll be able to make the move seeing as fox have invested money in advertising the card and that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted January 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted January 25, 2016 It doesn't make sense really. Miocic would have zero to gain by fighting Barnett on 2 weeks notice..aside from a fat cheque from the ufc? Â He's on the cusp of a title shot, and if there's no title then it's pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanz25 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I think the suggestion is they move his fight over from the Fox card rather than fight Miocic. My bad shoulda made that clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted January 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted January 25, 2016 Sorry, thought you were talking about Barnett saying he would fight Miocic. Barnett was promoting his fight on a radio show as the news broke and said the above. Was thinking what you were reading was the fallout from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chunk Posted January 25, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted January 25, 2016 What a roller coaster for Miocic! From sitting at home, to getting his head round a title shot at short notice, to back to a night in with a microwave lasagne. Crazy sport this MMA lark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL ON METAL Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Werdum is (rightly imo) getting a ton of shit from fighters/fans/Miocic's manager, after his hypercritical excuse:   "I was already injured," Werdum told Brazilian journalists on Monday. "I have a foot injury, and haven’t been able to throw kicks in training for two weeks. I would still fight Cain because I was injured the last time, but I also hurt my back last Friday. I went to the doctor, tried to continue training, but couldn’t spar as I should spar. "I decided not to fight because I’m not 100 percent," he continued. "If Cain was the opponent, I would go on. It’s not his fault, it’s nobody’s fault. Injuries happen. You can’t avoid them. I have no option. I made this decision because I’m not feeling 100 percent." Werdum says he’s "still confused" about everything that happened. "I made this decision together with my team," he said. "We decided not to fight. Cain can’t fight. I was going to hide the injury one more time, like I always did. I tried to hide it, but couldn’t this time. I can’t fight if I’m not 100 percent to put on a show like I always did."  So if it was Cain, he would still fight but now that it's someone else he's suddenly too injured to fight?  If he'd have said he was injured and couldn't take the fight, no one would have blamed him for dropping out. But to go out of your way to make a point to say you'd still fight if it was someone else, well, makes you look like a gigantic dickhead. Can't imagine how pissed off Miocic is right now, top of the world yesterday and now being shat on by someone who can't be arsed all of a sudden.  Miocic's manager said that Werdum has rejected fights with Stipe several times in the past few years, and that his opinion is that Werdum wants no part of Miocic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted January 26, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted January 26, 2016 I don't think for second MOM that he's afraid of Miocic as per his mansger. This is a guy who's fought real killers like Cain, Fedor etc so I doubt he's bothered about Miocic. Â That said, I 100% agree that he's idiotic to come out saying he would have fought Cain injured but not Miocic. I guess what's going on in his head is that Cain is a bigger name, and as discussed, there's not much upside to fighting a short camp Miocic. Â However, him coming out saying this is just going to piss so many people off that he may get a similar backlash or possibly worse than Jones received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 26, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted January 26, 2016 Not quite sure what Werdum is hoping to achieve by saying this stuff, sometimes honesty is not the best policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Paid Members Share Posted January 26, 2016 I think the suggestion is they move his fight over from the Fox card rather than fight Miocic. My bad shoulda made that clear. Would Barnett vs Rothwell be any better of a main event than Hendricks vs Wonderboy though? They've fucked it, there's no saving this. It's too close now to put anything meaningful on there. Â If he'd have said he was injured and couldn't take the fight, no one would have blamed him for dropping out. They probably still would, to be fair. Just like Aldo got shit for pulling out of 189, Pettis got shit when he went through a series of injuries a couple of years ago etc. Because of the circumstances here, the event relying on Werdum's fight, him pulling out regardless of whether the reasons were good or bad would've attracted some amount of backlash. Â At the end of the day, Werdum's comments are stupid. He'd have been better off just mentioning the injury and leaving the rest out. He'd still have got some blow back but his comments have made the whole thing more confusing than it needs to be. He's well within his rights to turn down the Miocic fight here. Whether people like it or not. He signed to fight Cain. To switch it up with two weeks out, isn't really a reasonable amount of time. It's the way Werdum's gone about explaining it that is where he's gone wrong, with the whole 'if it was still Cain I'd fight on' thing. Â There has to be a more sensible reason for that surely. I don't buy for a second that the man who beat Cain Velasquez, Fedor Emelianenko, Alistair Overeem, Mark Hunt, Travis Browne, and Big Nog is scared of Stipe Miocic. There's got to be more to it. Does Werdum get a cut of PPV as champion? Maybe be thought the Cain rematch would do good so it'd be worth fighting with the injury for the money he'd get, but he sees the Miocic fight as not doing so well and worth the risk vs reward. Fuck knows. The whole thing is a mess. Â Serves the UFC right really. How many times is this going to happen before they learn? It seems like nearly every single time they've put together a weak PPV over the last couple of years, it's fallen apart like a pornstar's arsehole after a backdoor gangbang. UFC 151 with Jones pulling out, UFC 176 with Aldo vs Mendes 2 cancelled and they had to scrap the whole show, then a couple of weeks later UFC 177 was a disaster for pullouts and ended up with Dillashaw defending the title against Straight Outta Fight Pass Joe Soto. Nearly every time they throw together one of these 'one fight shows' and stick it on PPV, shit goes badly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanz25 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016  I think the suggestion is they move his fight over from the Fox card rather than fight Miocic. My bad shoulda made that clear. Would Barnett vs Rothwell be any better of a main event than Hendricks vs Wonderboy though? They've fucked it, there's no saving this. It's too close now to put anything meaningful on there. Nope - But I believe it'd slightly strengthen a really dogshite card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted January 26, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted January 26, 2016 Â Â Â I think the suggestion is they move his fight over from the Fox card rather than fight Miocic. My bad shoulda made that clear.Would Barnett vs Rothwell be any better of a main event than Hendricks vs Wonderboy though? They've fucked it, there's no saving this. It's too close now to put anything meaningful on there.Nope - But I believe it'd slightly strengthen a really dogshite card. Then the fox card almost becomes as dogshit as the current ufc 196 card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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