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if your interested in just watching fights i highly recommend the IFL, the team concept was silly but the actual fights on them are worth checking out. They had a great roster of fighters.

 

I did start to work my way through it (show by show) no long ago but lost track, i'll go back to it one day.

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Captain Miserable is born

 

Captain Miserable getting pranked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ZxwCvvU5E

 

Drunk Pete Sell

 

Shonie Carter teaches GSP the pimp walk

 

2 of Rich Franklin's 'One Knee' advice to Matt Serra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyy_B0ZHGfU...feature=related

 

 

And probably my favourite TUF moment ever....

 

Matt Serra verbally destroys 'Marc Lemon'

 

Yeah I love TUF 4

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Matt Serra verbally destroys 'Marc Lemon'

 

Yeah I love TUF 4

whilst i can see Serra's point there and why he was angry, i got time for Marc Laimon. He's not a fighter but he knows his f'n shit. He used to be a regular on MMAjunkie radio and if you ever wanna hear a detailed breakdown/preview of a fight you need to listen to Laimon's, he's an encyclopedia of knowledge.

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Marc Laimon is a weird one, I agree he appears to talk sense, but some people accuse him of stupid shit.

 

Phil Baroni had a massive grudge against him for his gameplanning, he also pissed off someone I cannot remember for making them cut weight and fighting at a weight they were drained at.

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On Laimon, yeah he's obviously knowledgable, especially on grappling. Loads of good fighters have trained with him over the years so he's clearly good at what he does. Not knocking him for that.

 

But I can only judge him from what I've seen and on that season of TUF he came off as such a cock. Ripping into the Gracies in front of Serra, knowing full well Serra is a Renzo blackbelt. Bragging about Royce losing to Hughes. Saying Rickson's ground game was a myth. Then he was refusing to get in the cage and help guys out. There was even a clip on TUF 4 (maybe on the extras) and someone asked him for help with a technique or something and he flat out said something like "Why? What do you need me in there for?" and didn't get in. He was asking for that verbal raping for ages before Serra finally went nuts on him.

 

I don't know Lemon but from just seeing how he carried himself on TUF he comes across like one of them kind of people I really hate. They've got a problem with someone but instead of saying it to the person they'll have little digs to someone else nearby so that person can hear. Everything they say is a thinly veiled insult to provoke a reaction. Then they act shocked if they get told to shit off. Glad Serra told him what was up.

 

Few more classic TUF moments;

 

Rashad wants to punch Matt Hughes (love the end of this)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5-2P9UNwww...feature=related

 

Rashad goes schizo on Meathead

 

Rampage "We Got Titties"

 

Bonnar and Diego argue about asparagus

 

Bisping and Ross Pointon argue over the size of Bisping's shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsY2esxQPM...feature=related

 

TUF 5: Noah vs Marlon house fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxA61ZYZq8M

 

Rob Browning vs Team UK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyERpYnFCjY...feature=related

 

^ (skip to about 2:06 of that one. I love Stapes' Manc "Shut up you little tit" reply) :laugh:

 

Bisping 'PACK IT IN'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj-Clf_oY0I...feature=related

 

BJ Penn on Andy Waaaaaaang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ76VkRe-gA

 

Al Stankie vs Efrain Escudero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rljGU3Fxec

 

Dana Don't Give A Fuck

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I dislike Laimon for reasons mentioned as well. He has the personality of a stone as well, proper pretentious as well, I listened to him and Jordan Breen on Sherdog Radio years back and it was cringe worthy how hard they were trying to sound like smart arses. Jordan is a good guy, but I never want to hear him and Lemon again.

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TUF 5: Noah vs Marlon house fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxA61ZYZq8M

 

With Monsta Lobsta doing his best John McCarthy impression!

 

BJ Penn on Andy Waaaaaaang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ76VkRe-gA

Always enjoy a bit of Andy Wang, who initiated the 'Stand and Wang' Awards on another forum.

 

Anway, a couple more starting with an old favourite:

 

 

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I dislike Laimon for reasons mentioned as well. He has the personality of a stone as well, proper pretentious as well, I listened to him and Jordan Breen on Sherdog Radio years back and it was cringe worthy how hard they were trying to sound like smart arses. Jordan is a good guy, but I never want to hear him and Lemon again.

yeh, i agree and i see why he's disliked by so many, i just find him interesting to listen too. He had big arguments on the radio show with callers about shit too, he's an arrogant fucker..

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Planning to get back on the Diaz stuff soon. All these MMA and Boxing shows every week lately have really sidetracked that.

 

Anyway, listened to Joe Rogan's podcast with Bas Rutten yesterday. I'd only seen bits before so I did the whole thing last night. All two hours. It's really good, Bas just seems like such a great bloke. His stories about the Sweden bar fight and being sent to jail were nuts. You get great insight into his career aswell, how he went from being just a striker and taught himself to grapple with no real BJJ coaches. You get a good sense of why he stopped fighting aswell, I had no idea how bad his injuries got.

 

So yeah, if you got a couple of hours to kill I'd highly recommend it. Full thing's on Youtube.

 

Oh and my main reason for this post, Bas told a quick story I never heard before during the podcast. Apparently he almost came out of retirement twice to fight in Pride. One was to fight Ken Shamrock. The other was Wanderlei Silva. BAS VS WANDY. IN PRIDE. Fuck, imagine that fight.

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Anyway, listened to Joe Rogan's podcast with Bas Rutten yesterday. I'd only seen bits before so I did the whole thing last night. All two hours. It's really good, Bas just seems like such a great bloke. His stories about the Sweden bar fight and being sent to jail were nuts. You get great insight into his career aswell, how he went from being just a striker and taught himself to grapple with no real BJJ coaches. You get a good sense of why he stopped fighting aswell, I had no idea how bad his injuries got.

Yeah, he was riddled with injuries when he fought Villareal on the WFA PPV. Meltzer reported that he suffered one injury after another in training, and went into the fight with a separated rib, a torn groin and a torn ACL that required surgery. The only reason he went through with the fight was because he was getting a base $200,000 (plus a win bonus), and it was the largest pay day of his career.

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A Bas Rutten autobiography would be fantastic. He's been around for everything. Early Pancrase, UFC, Pride, DREAM. He's trained fighters, commentated, and now the TV stuff like Inside MMA. Plus all his outside the cage stories, and he's even done a bit of pro wrestling for New Japan. Would be a really interesting read.

 

Oh and that Bas vs Wand fight, if it happened, would have been on the Pride/K-1: Dynamite joint supershow in 2002. In front of about 90,000 fans. That show was great as it was, the addition of a Rutten vs Silva fight would make it one of the most stacked cards of all time.

 

Kazushi Sakuraba vs Mirko Cro Cop

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs Bob Sapp

Bas Rutten vs Wanderlei Silva

Jerome Le Banner vs Don Frye

Royce Gracie vs Hidehiko Yoshida

Ernesto Hoost vs Semmy Schilt

 

Mental. Adding Bas vs Wandy to that makes it look Wrestlemania-stacked. I'm proper gutted that never happened now I've heard about it.

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ive never seen all of that show, unreal lineup though.

 

Anyone seen the Gracie/Yoshida grappling match? i aint seen it.

 

Le Banner's KO of Don Frye is fucking brutal, poor Don, Gutted that they never got around to having the return much in MMA.

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I am not sure he would have won out of Silva and Rutten at that stage.

 

Silva was just entering his prime and Bas was coming of a long layoff, Bas was never a big Heavyweight and would fight at 205lbs if we could bring the 25 year old version back in a time warp.

 

I am not sure how good Bas was or how good he could have been, he was one of the best of his era, if it was not for Frank Shamrock maybe he would have won best fighter of the 90's in that Wrestling Observer Poll, despite his losses to Ken Shamrock early in his career he was a better fighter than him by the time he hung up his boots. Bas would have destroyed him in 2002 if that fight would have happened and that is a compliment, Ken was not that much of a spent force before the first Tito fight.

 

Bas did beat Kevin Randleman, in a fight I have never seen but heard he won a rare points decision by being on the bottom and doing damage that way. A smart guy and way ahead of his time, as shown by how he tried talking sense into Mark Kerr in Smashing Machine. Kerr would have been so much more also if he spent more time with Bas in my opinion.

 

As much as I like Bas and understand why he retired and that he did a lot anyway, I always think "could have been so much more in Pride" if he had not hung them up.

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