jimufctna24 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) How about you stop claiming that people are berating you for a difference of opinion, rather than the real reason, which is they're fed up with your non-method of argument, which consists of asking questions, then whining about the swearing as a smokescreen for the fact you've provided no counters, and moving the goalposts or hiding behind "the leftist agenda" as a standard fall-back when they address them, completely ignoring any points they make, then coming back and claiming none have been made, despite several people providing you with several, blatant, cited examples from previous pages? Fuck off. You do not decide what is and what isn't a valid method of argument. Post your opinions. Other people do the same. Don't start telling peopel how and when and what they are allowed to post for it to be considered "valid" in your own cosy liberal world. I'm not talking about using legal means, though. People have been raising kids for millennia simply by providing them with the proper guidance in the right direction, which is my point. I'm not arguing that kids have a legal right to choose whatever they want to eat, but parents who cite that as a reason for actively supplying them with shit they know is bad for them are a bunch of wretched fucking cunts who don't deserve to even BE fertile, let alone have kids. I'm not a parent, but even I know that parents are supposed to have a sense of responsibility for their child, and that includes doing your best to get them to eat properly. Until a certain age, most parents get to decide anyway by being the sole providers, but later on, when the kids have access to other foods, said parents should be making every effort to educate and encourage these children to eat healthily, and any parent who does what that fuck-headed mother did by providing hot-dog/burger vans and so on is betraying that responsibility. I wouldn't put it on a par with child abuse, and you can't really legislate for such things outside making sure schools provide nutritious meals, but it's bad parenting nonetheless. I suppose I'm simply advocating screaming abuse in said parents face, Aphex Twin-style, until they fucking listen. I agree with that. But why have we got to the stage where so many parents genuinely think there is nothing wrong with feeding their kids junk(or letting them feed themselves junk) despite the fact that it is obvious to everyone that they are becoming dangerously unhealthy as a result. IMO it is because of the increasing scope of the state, and the idea that people should leave things to "society" to take care of, whether that be education, basic socialisation (such as teaching kids to eat with a knife and fork, wipe their own arse, and even be able to sit up unaided), money (EMA as a benefits starter kit), and plenty of other things I could think of given time. The more the state does for people, the less they are prepared to do themselves, and society suffers as a result, particularly when cuts have to be made, as is the case at present. Not having a go, but why is it that everyone on this forum who disagrees with you is considered automatically a liberal? I noticed a lot on this forum who disagreed with you have said that they are not liberals or left wing and are somewhere in the middle, yes me and others on here are more left wing than right wing but for the sake of those who arent stop generalising everyone who doesnt agree with you please. Edited April 18, 2011 by jimufctna24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Not having a go, but why is it that everyone on this forum who disagrees with you is considered automatically a liberal? I noticed a lot on this forum who disagreed with you have said that they are not liberals or left wing and are somewhere in the middle, yes me and others on here are more left wing than right wing but for the sake of those who arent stop generalising everyone who doesnt agree with you please. I don't consider everyone that disagrees with me a liberal. I specified Carbomb in this instance. If this is not the case I apologise for making that presumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted April 18, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 Personally I'm fed up of this cosy liberal world where 2+2 equals 4, and anyone who claims otherwise is silenced by the elite. What 2+2 equals should be left to the free market to determine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted April 18, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 How about you stop claiming that people are berating you for a difference of opinion, rather than the real reason, which is they're fed up with your non-method of argument, which consists of asking questions, then whining about the swearing as a smokescreen for the fact you've provided no counters, and moving the goalposts or hiding behind "the leftist agenda" as a standard fall-back when they address them, completely ignoring any points they make, then coming back and claiming none have been made, despite several people providing you with several, blatant, cited examples from previous pages? Fuck off. You do not decide what is and what isn't a valid method of argument. Post your opinions. Other people do the same. Don't start telling peopel how and when and what they are allowed to post for it to be considered "valid" in your own cosy liberal world. Â No, YOU fuck off, you absolute wretch. There's an objective standard, used all across the entirety of academia, politics, history and economics, by people across the whole spectrum from left to right, and by whichever standard one measures the discussion on here, YOU have consistently failed, time after time, to live up to them. Don't try to hide behind subjectivity when you've displayed all the reasoning ability of a retarded child poking itself in the eye with a spoon. Â Also: fuck you, and fuck you again. I'm not a liberal, and you know fuck-all about what I am, or what being left-wing is either, regardless of what your background is. You've spouted nothing but shite this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbins Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 So Happ thinks that fast food companies should be forced by the state to stop marketing to children, and that vast swathes of tax money should be spent on imprisoning the parents of fat children and putting said fat children into care. That's one incredibly confused libertarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted April 18, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 MOTION: I move that we all ignore any and all points Happ makes ever. Whether we argue with him or not, he's only going to cite the "leftist bias" again to cover up for the fact he has no answers or has no intention of arguing by any recognised criteria, so we might as well save ourself the irritation and let him spout his sewage without wasting our time on the keyboards. There are plenty others on here who make for good debate without having to concern ourselves with Happ's drek. Jonathan Ford, johnnyboy and Van Dammer have provided good arguments for their perspectives in the past, even if I didn't agree with them; don't know if they're right-wing or consider themselves such, but it'd be like listening to their gentle chimes rather than Happ's irritating clanging. Â All those in favour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted April 18, 2011 Moderators Share Posted April 18, 2011 Fuck off. Â No, YOU fuck off... fuck you, and fuck you again... you know fuck-all... You've spouted nothing but shite this thread. Â Get your own method of taking part in an adult intelligent debate and stop ripping off mine, you bennys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I'd like Neil to follow through on his threat to get shot of Happ altogether. He's only trolling for a response, and has completely ruined every politics thread on this forum. I simply don't get the attraction of purposefully spending your days posting like an idiot, but it's all he has by the looks of it. He must be the most boring man alive in the real world. Â I can only presume that the only reason he does it on the UKFF is that the more obvious places like CIF have banned him long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bashar Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 MOTION: I move that we all ignore any and all points Happ makes ever. Whether we argue with him or not, he's only going to cite the "leftist bias" again to cover up for the fact he has no answers or has no intention of arguing by any recognised criteria, so we might as well save ourself the irritation and let him spout his sewage without wasting our time on the keyboards. There are plenty others on here who make for good debate without having to concern ourselves with Happ's drek. Jonathan Ford, johnnyboy and Van Dammer have provided good arguments for their perspectives in the past, even if I didn't agree with them; don't know if they're right-wing or consider themselves such, but it'd be like listening to their gentle chimes rather than Happ's irritating clanging. All those in favour?  Yes. He's been given ample opportunity to engage in a civilised discussion, but he's now made it explicitly clear he's uninterested in engaging in discussion and there's diminishing returns in any laughs he provides. It's time to move on. He's been an interesting subject though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted April 18, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 Like I've said, he's trying to make a name for himself. Can anybody actually remember anything about him or anything he posted before he became a politics thread mong? It just all happened a bit too quickly and overwhelmingly for him to be anything more than a complete WUM. Â Carbomb's suggestion about completely ignoring him is a good idea but it won't work as long as people still believe he's being serious. Don't take him seriously - it's what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted April 18, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Fuck off. Â No, YOU fuck off... fuck you, and fuck you again... you know fuck-all... You've spouted nothing but shite this thread. Â Get your own method of taking part in an adult intelligent debate and stop ripping off mine, you bennys. Â Just looked in the dictionary for the phrase "Fuck Off", and I found a " Edited April 18, 2011 by Carbomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted April 18, 2011 Moderators Share Posted April 18, 2011 Just looked in the dictionary for the phrase "Fuck Off", and I found a " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildSybianRider Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Like I've said, he's trying to make a name for himself. Can anybody actually remember anything about him or anything he posted before he became a politics thread mong? It just all happened a bit too quickly and overwhelmingly for him to be anything more than a complete WUM. Â Â I might be wrong but he's SharkWrestling, right? If so, I think he used to work on the same floor as (and trade tapes with) the UKFF's most left-leaning ever poster, Famous Mortimer. Which must have been fun for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted April 19, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 19, 2011 Like I've said, he's trying to make a name for himself. Can anybody actually remember anything about him or anything he posted before he became a politics thread mong? He was Sharkwrestling as mentioned. He was well known for annoying Supremo with his circular arguments and hatred of ECW. Â He was also a good tape trader before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted April 19, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 19, 2011 Like I've said, he's trying to make a name for himself. Can anybody actually remember anything about him or anything he posted before he became a politics thread mong? He was Sharkwrestling as mentioned. He was well known for annoying Supremo with his circular arguments and hatred of ECW. Â So, one redeeming quality, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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