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Very interesting reads there Jim. There's been a stink coming off of ONE for a long time now, and these claims throw extra shit onto the top of the heap. 

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Yeesh. It's always interesting seeing corruption like this come out. There's often a cultural distinctiveness as to how corruption manifests itself, and this is very East Asian, sort of an evil Confucianism: an entire structure of paternalistic, patron/client relationships that requires deference and respect with an implicit understanding of obligation to each other, except in this case the relationships are artificially constructed, deference is enforced to the point of bondage (including silence of criticism), and the patron doesn't reciprocate with the benefits he's supposed to bestow in exchange for allegiance. Reminds me of the Johnny Kitagawa boy-group system scandal in Japan - very similar (although the Kitagawa affair was a whole lot nastier).

That said, there are a couple of bits in those reports that have me thinking that, if it was the UFC or any Western promotion doing the same, nobody would bat an eyelid. Exaggerating or flat-out lying about figures, presence, market-share, etc. is straight out of the old-school American salesman's playbook. We as wrestling fans know about all that. McMahon gets an eye-roll and a "What is he like?" chuckle when he does that. I'd be willing to bet White and the Fertittas have done the same at some point.

Also, the "only hiring fighters in markets they've an interest in expanding into" - isn't that what the UFC does? It's the only reason Royston Wee was ever hired, surely? Obviously, the big difference is that the UFC, for the most part, tended to hire people with experience of whom it was reasonable to assume that they would provide a competitive challenge to established UFC talent.

The rest of it, though, is genuinely disappointing. I was rather excited by the idea that the world of MMA might have an alternate hemisphere in Asia, a huge emerging market, and the birthplace of a lot of the martial arts that are practiced not just in MMA, but around the world. That their promoters are almost as bad as the yaks that ran PRIDE isn't surprising, but I'd so hoped that it wouldn't be the case.

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That’s a rough read. Always liked Spencer Fisher. He was a fixture in the days where the Lightweight division was being revived in 2006/07 and those fights were a breath of fresh air at that time. His fights with Sam Stout were a real highlight of that period, as was his flying knee knockout over Matt Wiman.

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The second Stout fight in 2007 really should’ve made my Top 50 thread now I think back on it. I loved that fight at the time.

It’s so sad to hear how he’s struggling these days. I had no idea how bad things had gotten for him. Like the article says, I think we’re all guilty of just not always really thinking about what goes on after the show’s over and then years down the line. He’s only 44. For him to be so messed up now is frightening. And he won’t be the only one. You can bet there’s a load of fighters from that era who are in a similar position now. The article touches on Dana always banging the ‘there’s never been a death or serious injury in the UFC’ drum but the sport hasn’t been around that long in comparison with Boxing or even Kickboxing. While, thankfully, nobody has actually died in the Octagon (yet, although sadly it’s probably inevitable it’ll happen one day) there was always going to come a time when we’d start to see the long term effects of the accumulation of damage showing itself. Those guys from the early to mid 2000s are mostly done fighting now and that’s the era Fisher is from. I dread to think what a guy like Big Nog deals with day to day, for example. He’ll have done better financially than Fisher but it’s still depressing to think about. Same with Diego Sanchez and Shogun. 

It’s why I love when guys like GSP or Khabib ‘beat the system’ and get out on their terms and, on the face of it at least, relatively healthy and financially secure. No surprise to read Dana coming off as a cold, uncaring prick in that piece. And again, just this week he’s been quoted as saying he’s going to press Khabib to fight again. They never got done using him and they hate that he’s got out on his own terms. As much as Khabib obviously could fight again and clearly has more to give, I really, really hope he sticks to his retirement if that’s what he wants. Usually I’d be gutted seeing such a great fighter retire at the absolute peak of his prime but something about that whole thing just felt perfect. It was a shock at the time and unexpected but with each week and month that’s passed I think he couldn’t really have went out any better. 

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6 hours ago, jimufctna24 said:

MMA Fighting article about Spencer Fisher's medical problems - https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/1/12/21554602/the-cost-of-being-the-king-spencer-fisher-ufc

It's a long and depressing read. But at the same time, very interesting. 

Interesting read and sad read. I'm very familiar with the town of Sylva, NC that gets mentioned a lot in the article, the place he used to live and train in. I studied there for a couple of months a long time ago. I had no idea the town had any MMA connections, that was pretty cool to read despite the rest of the sad story.

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When Jim posted that link, Fishers name sadly didn't ring a bell. Wasn't until i clicked on the link that it triggered who it was. Bit of a sign of how these guys give everything and still end up forgotten, and thats coming from someone who probably saw every one of Fishers UFC fights 🙁

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7 hours ago, Egg Shen said:

When Jim posted that link, Fishers name sadly didn't ring a bell. Wasn't until i clicked on the link that it triggered who it was.

I remembered who he was immediately.

But sadly, I remembered very little about his UFC career. I didn't even know that he beat Thiago Alves in his UFC debut until a read the article. 

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