Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted December 10, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted December 10, 2012 Can't post the link at the minute but the 2nd Dana video blog for this event is on Youtube. Just search Henderson vs Diaz vlog day 2. Â It's worth it for the bit at the beginning with Chael telling a story about his mom and Okami. Seek it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Can't post the link at the minute but the 2nd Dana video blog for this event is on Youtube. Just search Henderson vs Diaz vlog day 2. Â It's worth it for the bit at the beginning with Chael telling a story about his mom and Okami. Seek it out. Â Ebb posted it earlier in the thread: Â http://ukff.com/index.php?showtopic=131798...p;#entry2672867 Â It's a great story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted December 10, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted December 10, 2012 Edit. Never mind. Beaten to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Maybe I am getting cynical about MMA. But I do remember when the torch was passed from Couture to Liddel and from Hughes to GSP the fans excepted and warmed to the new school. Anderson over Frankin granted did take some time for people to warm to Silva, but people never really hated him until 2008 when he had a few boring outings. Now he is one of the most beloved fighters ever, so things can change. Then again, when Rashad beat Liddel fans were luckwarm, and most fans for whatever reason have never warmed to Rashad.  People have not exactly been overjoyed with most of the new school, only JDS who reminds me of how fans loved GSP in 2005 has the heart of the audience. Jones is hated in most MMA circles, so I guess he is rogue which is a reaction at least.  Two of the most thunderous reactions in recent times have when old school has beaten new school, with Tito beating Bader and Nog beating Scraub, the former of which is amazing since Tito was seen as a rogue for years by fans. Nog was in Brazil but still, fans all over the world rejoiced about that. MMA fans cling to the old school now more than ever.  Maybe someone on here who has watched it longer than me can be a bit more positive. You have to give it time. It's almost a certainty that the new breed of guys will throw up the different types of fighters that we're all used to. We'll still end up with an over the top character who displays great charisma, a guy everyone loves to hate, a guy everyone loves because he's a nice guy, and a guy that everyone respects for their ability but who get shafted by the UFC because they don't talk trash and make a lot of noise (most probably my new favourite fighter ).  Another major factor in making fighters major names is the fights they take part in. Once the new guys start getting into wars, winning & dropping titles, dominating people, winning fights by amazing knock outs and sick subs and suchlike it'll all come together.  Trust me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted December 10, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted December 10, 2012 Â Raphael Assuncao fought through this to beat Easton on Saturday night, makes his win even more impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted December 10, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted December 10, 2012 Yeah, Assuncao fought great. I skimmed over my thoughts on the prelims on the night because I had one eye on the Gamboa fight but Assuncao deserves major credit for that. Â I didn't see that video blog posted before. Oh well, it's worth a second mention anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Trust me No chance  But seriously, good point. Just 3 years ago the MMA fanbase did not really like Anderson Silva for various reasons. A lot can change.  I actually was under the impression Easton was a future title contender, I know he was a big favorite on Saturday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted December 11, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted December 11, 2012 I actually was under the impression Easton was a future title contender, I know he was a big favorite on Saturday night. yeh, he was. As i said in my post-fight thoughts i just think this was a case of Easton getting ahead of himself. He moaned that Ivan Menjivar didn't come at him in his last fight, and he came out this time expecting Assuncao to just go in there and trade leather with him...Easton's basically shot himself in the foot because if you read his interviews all he talks of his power and how he's the hardest hitting 135'er in the world, people aint gonna stand in the pocket with him. Assuncao gave him a bit a standup lesson, i expect Easton to come back stronger though, bit of a learning curve. Â I'll keep the chat in here too because of spoilers, but on the subject of Shogun. I know we all give the same assessment before every fight, how he's slowing down due to the wars and how he aint what he used to be, it's all justified but does anyone else think the main factor may be that Shogun simply doesn't train hard enough? everyone picks up on Shogun's soft belly, which some put off as Shogun just having that type of physique, others may put it down to Shogun being too beat up to do sufficient cardio...but Joe Rogan made reference to Rafael Cordiero saying Shogun simply doesn't train hard enough during Saturday night's broadcast. I looked it up and found this quote from the end of 2011: Â "Shogun" needs to work a little bit more on his cardio. I don't know about this fight because he didn't train with us for this fight. What I can say, is that if he wants back to the top he needs to start training. When you have guys inside your gym with responsibility, professional guys in all styles, it's easy to do the work. So sometimes, if you don't have this, it's hard because you are fighter, you are manager, you are coach you are everything. In Shogun's case, he is the boss there. So when he wants to stop the training, he stops and nobody is going to say no to Shogun and say "No Shogun, you need to work a little bit more." In my gym, I don't have fighters, I have students there. My students work and my students learn martial arts, respect and discipline and it makes a difference. Wanderlei, we are old friends, we work 20 years together but he is still my student. Â He needs to start training as much as he can. He needs to work hard it's no joke; this sport is a hard sport. He represents not just him, but he represents a great show. UFC is a great show and or you to fight here you need to work hard and you need to work on your techniques and your cardio. He needs to put that in his head if he wants back to the top." Â I'd love to see Shogun align himself with a top camp and maybe try and get into some kind of peak physical condition, it does almost seem like he relies on his sheer heart and toughness to get him through fights at this stage, he works a very slow, plodding style and it's probably all down to him conserving energy. I'd love to see the results of him going to one of these bigger camps, or enlisting some specialist conditioning coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted December 11, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted December 11, 2012 Yeah Cordeiro makes a lot of sense. The thing is before all the injuries started piling up you never heard anything about Shogun being lazy. Which is why I always bring his wafer knees up when people talk about his lack of cardio/muffin top. Â And one thing people don't consider enough is the psychological effect the two big knee injuries might have had. He blew out his knee in training in 2007, got surgery, went through extensive rehab for months, returned to training to fight Chuck at UFC 85 and blew out his knee again and had to go through it all again. Â It might be a mental thing now where he's scared to push too hard in training after those near career enders. It could also be that he's comfortable now he's got money in the bank, a fit wife and a little girl at home. Maybe he's softened. Not in fights obviously, he's as rabid dog as ever. But the hunger to train might be gone. Â Basically if you could combine Shogun's talent and toughness with Wandy's work ethic we'd have a killer on our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted December 11, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted December 11, 2012 i dont think it'd be fear of injury, id have it down to laziness. He's in a situation where he's put in headline fights or big fights every fight, he still wins his fair share and again he knows he can tough things out. Maybe a loss to an up and comer like Gustaffson will be the kick up the arse he needs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I actually was under the impression Easton was a future title contender, I know he was a big favorite on Saturday night. yeh, he was. As i said in my post-fight thoughts i just think this was a case of Easton getting ahead of himself. He moaned that Ivan Menjivar didn't come at him in his last fight, and he came out this time expecting Assuncao to just go in there and trade leather with him...Easton's basically shot himself in the foot because if you read his interviews all he talks of his power and how he's the hardest hitting 135'er in the world, people aint gonna stand in the pocket with him. Assuncao gave him a bit a standup lesson, i expect Easton to come back stronger though, bit of a learning curve. Sorry man, I missed your post-fight thoughts. Â Be interesting to see what happens with him next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted December 12, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted December 12, 2012 Seems this show did well... Â When all was said and done, the "Emerald City" extravaganza pulled in 4.4 million viewers for a 2.5 household rating, finishing as the number three show for the week among males 18-49 while winning the night among males 18-34, males 18-49, adults 18-34 and adults 18-49. Â That's from MMAMania. Also, Dana's comments.. Â "We just killed it. We killed it in every demo. There are always going to be older people home watching TV on a Saturday night, but the advertisers are trying to reach that demo and we just dominated it. That was a huge night for us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Seems this show did well... When all was said and done, the "Emerald City" extravaganza pulled in 4.4 million viewers for a 2.5 household rating, finishing as the number three show for the week among males 18-49 while winning the night among males 18-34, males 18-49, adults 18-34 and adults 18-49.  That's from MMAMania. Also, Dana's comments..  "We just killed it. We killed it in every demo. There are always going to be older people home watching TV on a Saturday night, but the advertisers are trying to reach that demo and we just dominated it. That was a huge night for us."  Let's hope the ratings mean we get that sort of quality main card the next go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Good news  People were tuning in more as the show went on from what I read, which is always a good sign. The fact that they kept tuning in after BJ is reassuring also, a top night for the sport then, despite my moaning  EDIT: Natural the next show is the Dodson vs Might Mouse one, with Rampage vs Glover supporting, if it does 3 million it will be considered a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted December 12, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted December 12, 2012 Yeah I wouldn't expect the next one to do quite as well. The story around BJ Penn plus the popularity of Shogun and Diaz will have given this show a boost. Â Rampage is the biggest name next time. I think it will deliver fights wise though. Don't forget we're getting Cerrone vs Pettis on that one as well. That and Rampage vs Glover are as close to guaranteed barnburners as you can get in MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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