MMA: Past Fight Discussion

[wandshogun09]

It will so let's just pretend you didn't say that

[deathrey]

Maybe I will get that Shogun shirt afterall. But if I get smacked by a real Bad Boy it's all your fault Jim and deathrey.

 

Don't worry, if any nasty boys pick on you, Jim and I will beat them up

Edited February 28, 2013 by deathrey

[jimufctna24]

Yeah, you lead the way deathrey. I will be a bit behind, maybe 2 miles or so.

[The Natural]

On the topic of MMA clothing I own a UFC hooded jacket (my favourite by far), two UFC shirts, a UFC skull cap and a couple of Tapout shirts.

[wandshogun09]

Try this out.

 

Watch this marvelous gif;

 

With this playing in another tab;

 

 

Yeah, I was bored earlier waiting for the prelims to start.

[jimufctna24]

Why I love Wanderlai Silva

 

 

I know Wandshogun, did his excellent career review on Wanderlai, but I thought I would give my thoughts on why I have become such a fan of the axe murderer. I have not always been a fan like some.

 

From 2005-2008, I ranged from disliking to being indifferent to Wanderlai. Some of this stems from being a non-fan of MMA and playing against him on Pride for the PS3 where he was rock hard to beat! Most of my discontent came from being a Chuck Liddel fan.

 

I was a UFC boy when I became a fan, I routed for them due to their TV coverage being available to me and me liking it first. When I made a effort to learn about MMA online, scores of Pride fans would hold him as some sort of god. I did not get it, at the time I had only seen him get bombed out by Belfort and lose a boring fight to Ortiz.

 

As guys directly compared and contrasted to my beloved Liddel, I disliked Rampage and Silva. This dislike remained for a good few years, I cheered wildly when Liddel turned back the clock (well a year) to beat him. Even the KO of Jardine hardly raised a eyebrow. I had come to appreciate Rampage by this point and was happy when Page beat Wanderlai as well.

 

I was a Pride viewer for the last year luckily and became a Pride fan, a MMA fan if you like instead of UFC fan. I still could not warm to him though, the fights with Arona I had zero identity with unlike the UFC main rivalry of Liddel/Ortiz. I was impressed with him bombing Fujita and felt bad when Cro Cop/Hendo beat him, but I was no means a fan.

 

With him losing 3/4 of his UFC run, I felt his time had come and gone and if I were to become a fan I would have by now. Somewhere at this point I must have changed my mind, I put this down to finally watching some of his old stuff without the Liddel fan blinkers on. I can watch and appreciate the destruction of Saku and Rampage a lot better now and see that in between 2002-2004, he may have been the best LHW in the world. And probably 185lbs as well. I believe this version beats most versions of Liddel, every version of LHW Couture, any version of Hendo and maybe every version of Rampage. Only a peak Liddel is a toss up and maybe the Shogun of 2005. For his era that puts him right up there.

 

It is surprising it took me so long to be a fan, essentially he is everything I should like in a fighter. I am a sucker for emotion, image and expression, I am in many ways a style over substance guy. The raw aggression and exciting style Wanderlai fights with is my cup of tea. There is a genuine romance to it, its a all or nothing style, no compromise or restraint. It is in short fantastic.

 

Unlike other Pride mainstays like Fedor, Hendo and Arona, I can relate to his fiery attitude. I am excited when he fights even now when he is years past his best in many ways. His entrance is also timeless, Sandstorm is as energetic and trendy today as it was a decade ago to me. I can not tell you how much a breath of fresh it is to me, when most fighters come out to dull Nu-metal or Country.

 

I can never say I was a fan at his or Chute Boxe's peak which is a shame. But I can say when the day comes when he does retire the sport will not be better for it. He is a character unlike anyone else in MMA.

Edited March 4, 2013 by jimufctna24

[PowerButchi]

I liked it when Mark Coleman broke his arm. Fuck any fighters not called Don Frye, Mark Coleman, Mark Kerr, Harold Howard and Jon Hess.

 

Hess was probably my favourite. Fought like a fucking psychopath during my personal favourite years of MMA. UFC V is great.

Edited March 4, 2013 by PowerButchi

[jimufctna24]

I liked it when Mark Coleman broke his arm. Fuck any fighters not called Don Frye, Mark Coleman, Mark Kerr, Harold Howard and Jon Hess.

 

Hess was probably my favourite. Fought like a fucking psychopath during my personal favourite years of MMA. UFC V is great.

It was Shogun, not Wanderlai who had his arm broken by Coleman. I agree on the Kerr love, Hess was meant to be a right nasty piece of work. He was indeed a psycho, until Belfort battered him and he was never seen again. You must be pretty old school with your Ufc tastes, I almost got Howard mixed up with Fred Ettish.

Edited March 4, 2013 by jimufctna24

[PowerButchi]

I used to get all my UFC videos from the back of tabloid newspapers when I was in school. I think I stopped caring about it around whenever it got a bit rulesy for me and took out the fun for it, along with the original concept (Well, the other original concept which wasn't selling Gracie BJJ tapes, anyway). Now I'll only watch it if there's a freak on it. I far preferred Jon Hess doing SAFTA as his technique, and Gary Goodridge being mean with his elbows then the blokes on it now other than people like Mark Hunt and Josh Barnett.

 

It's a real shame that Bischoff never got around to sending Meng or Craig Pittman over in the formative years, like he was apparently considering according to observers of the time. Meng could have done a half decent Kimo/Varelans/Abbott job, and Pittman probably could have done OK.

Edited March 4, 2013 by PowerButchi

[wandshogun09]

Hess vs Anderson from UFC V is mental.

 

I'll throw Keith Hackney into the early UFC favourites as well. And I quite liked Pat Smith, he reminded me a little bit of a hard Craig Charles.

 

Jon Hess doing SAFTA

 

I love the obscure and wacky fighting styles of the UFC SEG era. SAFTA, Trapfighting, Joe Son Do (which knowing what we know now seems to consist of the carefully honed techniques of rape and murdering your cellmate), 5 Animal Kung Fu.

 

And who can forget Thomas Ramirez? He was unbeaten in fights on the island at 900-0 or something. Before Don Frye miraculously ended the streak in 8 seconds.

 

Never heard that Meng/Pittman stuff before. Of course Meng was universally known to be granite hard. What was Pittman's background? I only vaguely remember his mid 90s WCW run. He certainly looked the part of a hard bastard.

[Egg Shen]

Yeh i love all the old style stuff. John Matua specialised in the Hawaiin art of bone breaking when i first heard that i thought he was gonna Tank Abbott

 

 

i still get a buzz when i hear all the one dimensional fighters talk about their styles back in the old days, its such a weird thing. There were certain guys who i believe were so confident their style was the best that they thought he were gonna walk through the thing, but back then it became apparent that outside of jiu jitsu the only thing that would get through was a bit of good ol' street fighting.

 

i mean, i don't really know what Fred Ettish was expecting to happen?

 

...

 

poor bugger.

[jimufctna24]

I actually really liked the presentation of the old UFC shows, I love the old UFC theme below. Its holds up quite nicely as a blast from the past

 

 

If you put in a UFC DVD from say 2000-2004, the nu-metal presentation really gets on my tits. Has not aged well at all. I am not overstating that the song that plays on UFC 29/30 DVD menu is the worst song I have ever heard.

 

I think a average 155lbs, like say a Mac Danzig could have won UFC 1 if they put him in a time warp. That changed when Coleman and Kerr turned up though. I have always said Kerr could have been so much more and dominated Heavyweight at least until Fedor and Nog turned up. He could have reigned stateside until Lesnar turned up in 2008 as well.

 

I like the original concept, for its time it was great. You could never do it now in this landscape, even Pride with no commission did not go as far as making guys fight 3 times in a night. It was real blood and guts stuff.

 

Oh and on the subject of Pro Wrestlers in the Old UFC, Tazz claimed he could have beaten Paul Varelans in a shoot after they worked a match in ECW in the 90's. I have never seen the match as I am not a ECW fan, but I heard it was dreadful. Tazz's claim is absurd to say the least, he came up to about Varelans waist.

Edited March 4, 2013 by jimufctna24

[PowerButchi]

Never heard that Meng/Pittman stuff before. Of course Meng was universally known to be granite hard. What was Pittman's background? I only vaguely remember his mid 90s WCW run. He certainly looked the part of a hard bastard.

 

He did wrestling a high level in USMC and was well versed in submission techniques, also JERRY FLYNN took part in the WCC card in 1995 or whenever it was, as did Erik Paulson. I may have dreamt it, but I could swear Bisch was trying to send Scott Steiner over there as well, and in 1995 he could have done some real damage as an Div I All-American in those earlier days.

 

 

I actually really liked the presentation of the old UFC shows, I love the old UFC theme below. Its holds up quite nicely as a blast from the past

 

 

I think a average 155lbs, like say a Mac Danzig could have won UFC 1 if they put him in a time warp. That changed when Coleman and Kerr turned up though.

 

Don Frye as well. Probably one of, if not the first to be really adept in more than one discipline being one of the Sunkist Kids and a Pro Boxer.

[David]

I loved all of the old stuff as much as the next guy, and certainly enjoyed it when I watched it originally years ago. When I rewatch it now though, it really is the drizzling shits. I'm thinking that the idea of watching guys fight with ~NO RULES!!~ was pretty hardcore to a teenage kid and his pals like we were back then, but outside of a few guys who had half an idea of what they were doing, the competition was shit.

 

It really was a blessing that the Fertitta brothers came in and rescued the UFC when they did, isn't it?

[jimufctna24]

Butch- Yeah, I can agree on that. I forget about Frye as unlike Coleman and Kerr when they debuted, Frye did show a bit of vulnerability like when Tank clocked him and almost beat him.

 

Royce got out at the right time to protect his aura, I would like all 3 of those to be too big and strong for him to overcome. Frye could have kept it standing and used his boxing to beat him.

 

The guy behind the Sunkist kids was a right dodgy fucker.

Edited March 4, 2013 by jimufctna24