freaky Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Because Shawn doesn't want or need the belt, the responsibility or the added work schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven1977uk2002 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Next question: How many instances in WWE has their been of a Wrestler refusing to put another guy over? Â I can recall Austin/Coach, Brock/Austin, HBK/Hogan, HBK/Bret. Â While im asking what was the deal with the Honky/Savage/Dibiase fiasco over the Intercontinental Title/WWF Title Tournament at Wrestlemania 4? I recall SMNE Honky/Savage that was I think supposed to be a rematch at the big PPV and was the Tournament and screw job always planned and where did Hogan fit into this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freaky Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Next question: How many instances in WWE has their been of a Wrestler refusing to put another guy over? I can recall Austin/Coach, Brock/Austin, HBK/Hogan, HBK/Bret. Others are said to include Steve Austin and Jeff Jarrett in mid-1999, and Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart in the summer of 1993.  The short - and probably unhelpful - answer is: more than we know about, but probably less than we suspect.  While im asking what was the deal with the Honky/Savage/Dibiase fiasco over the Intercontinental Title/WWF Title Tournament at Wrestlemania 4? I recall SMNE Honky/Savage that was I think supposed to be a rematch at the big PPV and was the Tournament and screw job always planned and where did Hogan fit into this situation? Savage's WWF title win was pretty much decided before WrestleMania III - that's how far ahead they used to plan in those days. Hogan was always going to lose the title to Andre at The Main Event in February 1988 and then win it back from Savage a year later at WrestleMania V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaaad! Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 When was the first Triple Threat match in the WWF? I searched but couldn't find any results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freaky Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) When was the first Triple Threat match in the WWF? I searched but couldn't find any results. January 21, 1997 - it was between WWF Champion Shawn Michaels, Sid and Bret Hart. Michaels won by pinning Bret with a crossbody while Hart was putting Sid in the Sharpshooter. Edited December 13, 2009 by freaky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven1977uk2002 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 When was the first Triple Threat match in the WWF? I searched but couldn't find any results. Â Triple threat match in the WWF? Hmmm Im pretty certain the never had a triple threat match in the 1980s. I know their was a triple threat match in 1997 in jan between hbk sid and Bret I recall but Im not sure if their was one in 1996 or not. Dont recall triple threats in the early 1990s so id say mid 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaaad! Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 When was the first Triple Threat match in the WWF? I searched but couldn't find any results. January 21, 1997 - it was between WWF Champion Shawn Michaels, Sid and Bret Hart. Michaels won by pinning Bret with a crossbody while Hart was putting Sid in the Sharpshooter. Cheers. I thought it would be late 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted December 13, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted December 13, 2009 Savage's WWF title win was pretty much decided before WrestleMania III - that's how far ahead they used to plan in those days. Hogan was always going to lose the title to Andre at The Main Event in February 1988 and then win it back from Savage a year later at WrestleMania V. Â Honky Tonk Man tells a very different version of the original plan. He tells in his shoot interview that the original plan was for him to drop the Intercontinental title to Savage and DiBiase to win the World title from Hogan. When Honky was told that he would be repackaged afterwards he suspected that would be the end of his run so he put his foot down and refused to do it. Honkle alleges that to placate Savage they came up with the tournament and put the big belt on him, and in turn to make DiBiase still look a big deal they let him come out with the Million $ belt instead and claim to be the Million $ Champion, even though in real terms it was worthless. Â Whether you believe Honky's version or that Vince was planning WrestleMania V two years in advance, I'll leave to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freaky Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Savage's WWF title win was pretty much decided before WrestleMania III - that's how far ahead they used to plan in those days. Hogan was always going to lose the title to Andre at The Main Event in February 1988 and then win it back from Savage a year later at WrestleMania V. Â Honky Tonk Man tells a very different version of the original plan. He tells in his shoot interview that the original plan was for him to drop the Intercontinental title to Savage and DiBiase to win the World title from Hogan. When Honky was told that he would be repackaged afterwards he suspected that would be the end of his run so he put his foot down and refused to do it. Honkle alleges that to placate Savage they came up with the tournament and put the big belt on him, and in turn to make DiBiase still look a big deal they let him come out with the Million $ belt instead and claim to be the Million $ Champion, even though in real terms it was worthless. Â Whether you believe Honky's version or that Vince was planning WrestleMania V two years in advance, I'll leave to you. Savage loses the title to Steamboat, who drops it to Honky, and Savage wins the title back, even though he was already well above that level? DiBiase beating Hogan in the main event of WrestleMania? Â Not that this really needs to be said considering it's Honky, but I call bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted December 14, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted December 14, 2009 Reading back the Observers at the time, Hogan-Savage at V was planned even before IV. However, there was definitely a working plan of DiBiase winning the tournament then losing the belt to Hogan at SummerSlam, with Savage then being the challenger rather than champion at V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Tommy! Posted December 14, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted December 14, 2009 Why does the FWA comment on the piledriver being banned. Have I missed a bit of a story or is there something planned with it. Â If they really don't want any one to use it they just wouldn't mention it, as no one would walk home and say "hold on, by jove there was no piledrivers on that show", so I assume its involved some where, is there a story or something I've missed? First show I went to I waited all night for some dastardly person to hit one as it seemed the logical thing after being told I wouldn't see one, but it never occurred and didn't on the next show. It got a boo both times and like I say no one would really notice if nothing was said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Statto Posted December 14, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted December 14, 2009 Why does the FWA comment on the piledriver being banned. Have I missed a bit of a story or is there something planned with it. If they really don't want any one to use it they just wouldn't mention it, as no one would walk home and say "hold on, by jove there was no piledrivers on that show", so I assume its involved some where, is there a story or something I've missed? First show I went to I waited all night for some dastardly person to hit one as it seemed the logical thing after being told I wouldn't see one, but it never occurred and didn't on the next show. It got a boo both times and like I say no one would really notice if nothing was said.  If it's of any help, I remember them making a pretty big deal out of it when it happened in the old FWA. The ban followed shortly after WWE's, and IIRC there was no storyline reason for it at the time, but a while later the payoff to the Nikita 'bounty' angle was Sweet Saraya killing her dead with a Tombstone, which was treated as ultimately heelish as piledrivers were banned.  I would imagine they will probably use a similar thing at some point down the road - I think it's worked really well with Eric Young in TNA, particularly as TNA present it as breaking an unwritten code. For all the things wrestlers do to each other, Young comes across as a real nasty bastard using that as a finish, despite it being a move you routinely see effective jobbers stagger up from if you watch Vintage Collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoistVaj Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Why does the FWA comment on the piledriver being banned. Have I missed a bit of a story or is there something planned with it. If they really don't want any one to use it they just wouldn't mention it, as no one would walk home and say "hold on, by jove there was no piledrivers on that show", so I assume its involved some where, is there a story or something I've missed? First show I went to I waited all night for some dastardly person to hit one as it seemed the logical thing after being told I wouldn't see one, but it never occurred and didn't on the next show. It got a boo both times and like I say no one would really notice if nothing was said.  If it's of any help, I remember them making a pretty big deal out of it when it happened in the old FWA. The ban followed shortly after WWE's, and IIRC there was no storyline reason for it at the time, but a while later the payoff to the Nikita 'bounty' angle was Sweet Saraya killing her dead with a Tombstone, which was treated as ultimately heelish as piledrivers were banned.  I would imagine they will probably use a similar thing at some point down the road - I think it's worked really well with Eric Young in TNA, particularly as TNA present it as breaking an unwritten code. For all the things wrestlers do to each other, Young comes across as a real nasty bastard using that as a finish, despite it being a move you routinely see effective jobbers stagger up from if you watch Vintage Collection.  Or Hawk bouncing immediately up after receiving one. Best seller in the business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobystag Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Whatever became of Buff Bagwell? Â Â Think he still wrestles on the indy shows. Â Didn't he do some softcore porn as well at some point? Â You mean Buff didn't show his stuff?.... Â Yeah, I'm reaching and it's late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Tommy! Posted December 14, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted December 14, 2009 Why does the FWA comment on the piledriver being banned. Have I missed a bit of a story or is there something planned with it. If they really don't want any one to use it they just wouldn't mention it, as no one would walk home and say "hold on, by jove there was no piledrivers on that show", so I assume its involved some where, is there a story or something I've missed? First show I went to I waited all night for some dastardly person to hit one as it seemed the logical thing after being told I wouldn't see one, but it never occurred and didn't on the next show. It got a boo both times and like I say no one would really notice if nothing was said.  If it's of any help, I remember them making a pretty big deal out of it when it happened in the old FWA. The ban followed shortly after WWE's, and IIRC there was no storyline reason for it at the time, but a while later the payoff to the Nikita 'bounty' angle was Sweet Saraya killing her dead with a Tombstone, which was treated as ultimately heelish as piledrivers were banned.  I would imagine they will probably use a similar thing at some point down the road - I think it's worked really well with Eric Young in TNA, particularly as TNA present it as breaking an unwritten code. For all the things wrestlers do to each other, Young comes across as a real nasty bastard using that as a finish, despite it being a move you routinely see effective jobbers stagger up from if you watch Vintage Collection.  Thanks for that, at least I know of some back story. It just seemed really odd to mention it every time like it was part of something or building to some big heel it up moment.  Whatever became of Buff Bagwell?   Think he still wrestles on the indy shows.  Didn't he do some softcore porn as well at some point?  You mean Buff didn't show his stuff?....   We could see Buff, but not his stuff on some muff. In fact, it does appear it wasn't even close to soft core from a glance at IMDB or his other Here  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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