WWE SummerSlam 2016

[Guest]

"The streak...is over"

[Sphinx]

 

 

 

 

It's a stupid move that Buckle Bomb. All risk for not a whole lot of reward.

the buckle bomb I can accept, the barrier bomb? totally stupid and being worked into way too many of his matches

 

my main gripe with the buckle bomb is actually that Rollins does it. why is he powerbombing people? just not a powerbomb guy, if that makes sense. if Owens did a buckle bomb it would be cool as hell.

Agreed, and it was a point I'd been meaning to bring up. I've felt for a long time wrestlers should have their strengths and weaknesses. When Mourinho's Man U face Guardiola's Man City, I know that Mourinho's side will likely cede posession and focus on quick transitions whilst Guardiola's side may dominate posession and look to overload the midfield whilst having his wingers create width. I know roughly what I can expect from the teams and there are intriguing questions about how the teams will focus with the other's strengths going into the match. Without spoiling much, the UFC fight was great and had a great story and the fighters have different strengths. Cena is massive and Rollins is quick. Why is Rollins doing buckle bombs to Cena? Why is Cena doing Code Reds to Styles? The dynamics and the story is hindered by it. They should be specialists in their strengths, not a jack of all trades. Like Top Trumps, Cena's strength should be higher than Rollins' whilst Rollins' pace should beat Cena's.

 

Another gripe, Rollins has been a heel for over two years now. I know he was injured for some time, but why is he still a heel? He's clearly more suited to being a face with his offence. I don't think he was as bad for it in the Balor match from what I remember but he doesn't tend to wrestle like a heel. He still has the Pedigree despite it looking shit and having no affiliation with Triple H anymore too.

He did a Phoenix splash for crying out loud!

Good point.

 

As for Cena and Styles, I maintain that just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. The general consensus was that people liked it though. It didn't have me on the edge wondering if it was over.

[The Clint]

"The streak...is over"

 

That's bollocks because Cole didn't say the streak was over until after the 3 count.

[Wrasslin]

"Ball game!"

 

"We've got a new champion!"

 

Occur in pretty much every title match. I'm not sure why you think this is different?

[The Gaffer]

B...but you don't even need recent examples handy. It's just such an  obvious wrestling trope. Why on earth would you believe a match is over just because a commentator said it on the one count? If anything the trope works the opposite way with most people, whereby it ruins the fact that of course the guy is going to kick out because the commentator said it's over. So if anything what JBL done would have created a bit of surprise in the minds of most viewers.

 

B... but then he hardly done that intentionally anyway because there is a pretty good chance he did not know that was the exact point of finish himself. The whole thing is weird. Forget recent examples, Vince used to do it for years. Virtually 3-4 times during all big title matches.

[The Clint]

 

 

"We've got a new champion!"

 

 

 

That's usually used as a typical prediction during a title match.  So like I said give me a recent example of when an announcer said "he's just beaten ? " after a one count.

[Sphinx]

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[Wrasslin]

 

 

 

"We've got a new champion!"

 

 

 

That's usually used as a typical prediction during a title match.  So like I said give me a recent example of when an announcer said "he's just beaten ? " after a one count.

 

 

It's the exact same thing. Being a "new champion" involves beating someone.

 

Basically, you've stated an opinion. No one has agreed with you but you're staying with your line of defense even though your argument makes no sense. It's admirable in a way. 

[honor87]

One of My favourite parts of the entire summerslam card was Ranallo's reaction to the kick out after the top rope AA - 'Conjoined twins... That was close' Best call in years

[The Hitman]

B...but you don't even need recent examples handy. It's just such an obvious wrestling trope. Why on earth would you believe a match is over just because a commentator said it on the one count? If anything the trope works the opposite way with most people, whereby it ruins the fact that of course the guy is going to kick out because the commentator said it's over. So if anything what JBL done would have created a bit of surprise in the minds of most viewers.

 

B... but then he hardly done that intentionally anyway because there is a pretty good chance he did not know that was the exact point of finish himself. The whole thing is weird. Forget recent examples, Vince used to do it for years. Virtually 3-4 times during all big title matches.

That's exactly how it worked for me. JBL said "He's beaten John Cena!" I immediately expected the kickout before going "oh fuck he has and all!" For me personally it added to it and for JBL's sake I hope it was intentional instead of his usual stream of conciousness bullshit.

 

As for the PPV:

 

-Didn't bother with the pre-show and it sounds like I didn't missed much. Four hours was quite enough thank you.

 

-Loved the opener. Jeriko are a cracking team and I love the bromance stuff with them. Enzo and Cass were Enzo and Cass which sounds like criticism but really isn't when you're talking about the most consistently entertaining act on the main roster.

 

-The Women's title match was entertaining throughout and I dug the finish but fuck me did they blow a lot of spots. Is this a symptom of the fact they don't have time to rehearse their big matches like they did in NXT?

 

-Miz vs Crews was a huge slice of dull. I like Crews as an in-ring talent but these two just didn't mesh at all. Maryse though! Maryse!

 

-AJ vs Cena was everything their first match was an more. As annoying as it is hearing JBL screaming "big match John!" every two seconds it's true isn't it? Cena's body of work stacks up with anyone in WWE history for me and Styles is on such a hot streak you just knew this would be another classic.

 

-Here's where the card took a dive for me. The tag titles and and Ziggler vs Ambrose were both toss. That WWE Title match is the worst one I can remember for ages. Disappointed that "The New Dolph Ziggler" was just the old one as well.

 

-Was surprised by how much I enjoyed the six woman match. They kept it short and sweet and interesting enough after the dross before it. The Eva Marie buildup to her no-show was amusing.

 

-Enjoyed Colonel Sanders vs Fucking Cluckers Chicken more than his earlier match. THIS is the new Dolph Ziggler I want to see.

 

-I enjoyed Balor vs Rollins. Not the best match either are capable of but entertaining throughout. The crowd took me out of it keep banging on about that belt though. Yes it's a shit belt with a shitter name but why disrespect the perfectly good wrestling match happening in front of you just to moan about it?

 

-Slightly disappointed Rusev vs Reigns didn't happen cos I was well up for a big man war but we'll get it at some point and this did a good job building the feud.

 

-I've realised I'm in the minority reading this thread but I really enjoyed the Brock match. I'm actually one of the people who's been getting sick of his "suplex suplex suplex F5 pin" routine but I liked the psychology of Orton picking his shots and trying to quickly put Brock away whenever the opportunity came up. The table spot looked badass as did the RKO on the table and the finish, whatever the cost, established Lesnar as an absolute head case. It brought the sort of brutal realism that makes Brock interesting to a whole new level. Not fussed about seeing him in with Shane though. After their reported real-life altercation I'd like to see Brock take Jericho on next, possibly with Owens getting involved leading to Owens vs Brock at Mania. I think there's more chance of John Stewart getting cheered than that happening though.

[The Clint]

 

It's the exact same thing. Being a "new champion" involves beating someone.

 

Basically, you've stated an opinion. No one has agreed with you but you're staying with your line of defense even though your argument makes no sense. It's admirable in a way. 

 

 

You obviously can't tell the difference between a prediction and a blatant giveaway.  Never mind

[d-d-d-dAz]

I sort of agree with Clint. It did stick out to me at the time.

 

But, I don't think he spoilt the finish as such. I think it was a piece of commentary you usually hear all the time when the guy ends up kicking out. Other examples, where the match was actually over, usually have more ambiguity in the voice, whereas JBL just sort of deadpanned it like it was definitely over. I was waiting for his stunned 'he's actually Superman' routine.

 

It was jarring when Cena didn't kick out.

[Wrasslin]

I sort of agree with Clint. It did stick out to me at the time.

 

But, I don't think he spoilt the finish as such. I think it was a piece of commentary you usually hear all the time when the guy ends up kicking out. Other examples, where the match was actually over, usually have more ambiguity in the voice, whereas JBL just sort of deadpanned it like it was definitely over. I was waiting for his stunned 'he's actually Superman' routine.

 

It was jarring when Cena didn't kick out.

 

This! Exactly this! Doesn't that actually make it a good piece of commentary? The fact that it made the finish even more surprising? 

[Ambulance Chaser]

Just read this, apologies if it's been discussed already I have not read everything in this thread.

 

Brock Lesnar and Chris Jericho had a backstage altercation following the Summerslam main event. According to multiple accounts, it was based on a misunderstanding about how the match between Lesnar and Randy Orton ended, Jericho’s perceived role as a locker room leader, and tensions running high in the locker room for multiple reasons.

The timeline of events includes:

 

– In the Summerslam main event, Brock Lesnar “TKO’ed” Randy Orton with elbows to the head that cut open Orton, drawing significant blood. After Lesnar finished the match angle by giving Shane McMahon and F5, Lesnar made his way to the backstage area.

While the angle was still unfolding, Jericho approached the Gorilla position wanting to know about the finish. Was it a “shoot” where Brock went into business for himself knocking out Orton, and the locker room needed to deal with Lesnar? Or, was it part of the worked ending to get over Lesnar as a vicious fighter?

Jericho did not get an answer he was looking for, prompting him to lash out about feeling like he was being kept in the dark. Jericho called his treatment b.s. just as Lesnar walked back through the curtain.

 

– Lesnar confronted Jericho at the Gorilla position, believing the b.s. line was directed at him. They had a verbal exchange that included Lesnar taunting Jericho and they had to be separated.

 

– Vince McMahon got involved, telling Jericho to be a professional and understand that it was a work.

The broader context is the locker room has been on edge, especially as it relates to UFC fighter Conor McGregor. McGregor had his UFC return fight on Saturday night, and Jericho was one of the more vocal WWE stars on Twitter saying he doesn’t give a s— about UFC.

Jericho, who carries himself as a locker room leader, felt like he should have been in the loop about the Lesnar-Orton finish. The tension about UFC mixed with the MMA-style outcome of Lesnar “TKO’ing” Orton, which cast doubt on work vs. shoot in the moment, heated up the room.

Plus, the WWE crew had been at the Barclays Center for a full day, WWE was wrapping up a four-hour PPV and six-hour total event that made for a long night, and Jericho had wrestled more than three hours earlier in the opening match of the PPV. So, Jericho was still at the building long after he finished up, creating a situation where Jericho wanted to feel included after sticking around to watch the PPV main event.

There is also a sense of Lesnar being an outsider, especially with WWE saying that Brock is not subject to Wellness Policy testing because he is a part-timer. Jericho seemed to feel the need to assert himself as a locker room representative if Lesnar took liberties with Orton, which turned out to not be the case.

Overall, it made for an interesting conclusion to the night and captures the rising tension of the locker room, especially at the end of a long night and long week in New York.

[tiger_rick]

Isn't it ridiculous that in 2016, wrestlers themselves are still paranoid enough to think the ending to a PPV could be a shoot.