Paid Members tiger_rick Posted October 12, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted October 12, 2011 This isn't about the CM Punk discussion, just a general discussion about their achievements (or lack of) this year. I've dragged some numbers out, some of the buys are still estimates so not guaranteed.  Raw Ratings  2010 average (First 40 weeks) = 3.33 2011 average (First 40 weeks) = 3.25  2010 best = 3.8 on 22nd February 2011 worst = 2.75 on 27th September  2010 best = 3.92 on 7th March 2011 worst = 2.4 on 4th July  Jan 2010 Average = 3.61 Feb 2010 Average = 3.61 Mar 2010 Average = 3.54 Apr 2010 Average = 3.13 May 2010 Average = 3.16 Jun 2010 Average = 3.32 Jul 2010 Average = 3.40 Aug 2010 Average = 3.33 Sep 2010 Average = 2.89  Jan 2011 Average = 3.24 Feb 2011 Average = 3.54 Mar 2011 Average = 3.69 Apr 2011 Average = 3.47 May 2011 Average = 3.24 Jun 2011 Average = 3.12 Jul 2011 Average = 2.94 Aug 2011 Average = 3.15 Sep 2011 Average = 2.92  March, April, May the average was up in 2011 on 2010. July 2011 was a disaster. The 4th July rating might contribute to that somewhat. Ratings fell under 3.0 only 3 times in the whole of 2010. Happened 5 times between July and September.  September is a terrible month for WWE, it appears.  Buyrates  Royal Rumble 2010: 462000 2011: 449000 (-13000)  Elimination Chamber 2010: 285000 2011: 199000 (-86000)  WrestleMania 26: 885000 27: 1059000 (+174000)  Extreme Rules 2010: 182000 2011: 209000 (+27000)  Over The Limit 2010: 197000 2011: 140000 (-57000)  Fatal 4 Way/Capitol Punishment 2010: 143000 2011: 170000 (+27000)  Money In The Bank 2010: 165000 2011: 185000 (+20000)  Summerslam 2010: 350000 2011: 301000 (-49000)  March and April TV rating success shows in the WM and Extreme Rules buys. Over the Limit fell off a cliff though. Over The Limit drew 140,000 buys in a month where the TV rating averaged 3.24. MITB drew 185,000 buys in a month where the average was 2.94. Weird anomaly that one.  Buyrates over the whole year are up 43,000 buys but WM 27 is the obvious reason for that.  Will try and have a look at Smackdown. Any thoughts on this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted October 12, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2011 I imagine the 174,000 bump for Wrestlemania is Rock oriented. If that is the case there's not a chance in hell I'd have spunked his first match in 7 years or so on Survivor Series this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 R-Truth added more PPV buys compared to the previous year than CM Punk did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doog Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 I imagine the 174,000 bump for Wrestlemania is Rock oriented. If that is the case there's not a chance in hell I'd have spunked his first match in 7 years or so on Survivor Series this year. Â It's looking even more outrageous now when it seems he's only going to be on the Raw before Survivor Series and that's it. They've not even started the build to him wrestling at Survivor Series yet anyway, and it's only just over 4 weeks away, Rock returning to the ring for the first time in 7 years should be being heavily hyped already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted October 12, 2011 Author Paid Members Share Posted October 12, 2011 Here's another tidbit. The PPV price increased by $5 to $44.95 in January 2010 (WM is $54.95 and has been for ages).  So January to August numbers:  2009: 3,119,000 buys 2010: 2,669,000 buys 2011: 2,712,000 buys  Massive drop in numbers. Smaller drop in revenue (gross):  2009: $139,004,050 2010: $128,821,550 2011: $132,494,400  So had they not increased the price, those numbers would be catastrophic. However, you could argue that they might also be a big part of the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted October 12, 2011 Author Paid Members Share Posted October 12, 2011 I imagine the 174,000 bump for Wrestlemania is Rock oriented. If that is the case there's not a chance in hell I'd have spunked his first match in 7 years or so on Survivor Series this year. I think it makes sense. Rock/Cena is going to pop a buyrate anyway. This way, they'll get a boost for Survivor Series which has been struggling recently. Probably due to the increase in gimmick PPV's and it's own gimmick being watered. Â Survivor Series 2007: 341,000 Survivor Series 2008: 319,000 Survivor Series 2009: 235,000 Survivor Series 2010: 244,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted October 12, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2011 I'm not entirely sure if that'd be the case. I think if someone really wants to see something, they'll pay the extra five dollars anyway. I think it was the Meltz in one of his big business articles that said that the highering and lowering of PPV prices have never really meant that much to the amount of buys. I think he was referring to Ground Zero being the first 3 hour in your house and costing 10 dollars more or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted October 12, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted October 12, 2011 These are worldwide buyrates, so direct comparison is a bit tricky, partly because they've added new markets, Also, do the Sky Box Office/Sky Sports schedules match up for the two years? Â Edit: The R Truth PPV was on SBO but is compared to an event on Sky Sports the previous year. I think Money in the Bank was on Sky Sports both years. Â Second edit: From what I can gather from domestic buys (which may be at different stages of estimate), Capitol Punishment 2011 did 83,000, down from 88,000 the year before (Fatal 4 Way). Money In The Bank 2011 did 132,000 domestic, up from 99,000 the year before. Â So Punk's in no way a major draw, but aside from the Rock at Mania, MITB is the only thing that's showed a noticeable spike this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted October 12, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2011 No. Â MITB was SBO last year and Sky Sports this year for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Gordon_The_Gopher Posted October 12, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted October 12, 2011 I imagine the 174,000 bump for Wrestlemania is Rock oriented. If that is the case there's not a chance in hell I'd have spunked his first match in 7 years or so on Survivor Series this year. Â It's looking even more outrageous now when it seems he's only going to be on the Raw before Survivor Series and that's it. They've not even started the build to him wrestling at Survivor Series yet anyway, and it's only just over 4 weeks away, Rock returning to the ring for the first time in 7 years should be being heavily hyped already. Â I am hoping/praying/offering sacrifice to higher powers that it will be in the same vein as Stone Cold's Backlash 2000 return and that he will be "mysteriously unable to attend" until showing up at the end to do whatever is needed to a heroes welcome. Â (And I am hoping if they go for Team Mr H's vs Team Mr McMahon that he sides with McMahon as corporate Hollywood Rock > lovey dovey Rock. A fella can dream...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeymike83 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 No. MITB was SBO last year and Sky Sports this year for example.  Is that 100% accurate Butch? Not wanting to discredit you, more incredulous for myself. It's a sign of the times is that, before I could tell you how and where I watched a ppv. I definitely didn't order MITB '10, nor did I download it yet I know I watched it (it was the Kane cash in on the night one i'm thinking of, right?). Haven't ordered a ppv for about 4 years (that includes WM), nor was I a regular downloader up until this year.  Re. Rick, I hear what you're getting at saying that the revenue would have been "catastrophic" had the prices not increased, but surely the reverse can be said, had the price been lower, then surely it would have encouraged those who were 'sitting on the fence' to purchase had they remained the same? I know I won't even entertain buying something (out of principle) even for a small increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 No. MITB was SBO last year and Sky Sports this year for example.  Is that 100% accurate Butch? Not wanting to discredit you, more incredulous for myself. It's a sign of the times is that, before I could tell you how and where I watched a ppv. I definitely didn't order MITB '10, nor did I download it yet I know I watched it (it was the Kane cash in on the night one i'm thinking of, right?). Haven't ordered a ppv for about 4 years (that includes WM), nor was I a regular downloader up until this year.  Both Money in the Bank PPV's were on Sky Sports.  The opposite to that was the Elimination Chamber PPV. In 2010, it was on Sky Box Office while it was on Sky Sports this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted October 12, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2011 I'm second guessing myself now. Actually I think I'm wrong. Â EDIT: As The Natural above. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loligan Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 These are worldwide buyrates, so direct comparison is a bit tricky, partly because they've added new markets, Also, do the Sky Box Office/Sky Sports schedules match up for the two years? Edit: The R Truth PPV was on SBO but is compared to an event on Sky Sports the previous year. I think Money in the Bank was on Sky Sports both years.  Second edit: From what I can gather from domestic buys (which may be at different stages of estimate), Capitol Punishment 2011 did 83,000, down from 88,000 the year before (Fatal 4 Way). Money In The Bank 2011 did 132,000 domestic, up from 99,000 the year before.  So Punk's in no way a major draw, but aside from the Rock at Mania, MITB is the only thing that's showed a noticeable spike this year.  Thats interesting. I thought I remembered them saying it was up a good bit on last years, must have been these domestic figures they were talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Eddie Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 So even if (after the providers and everyone else gets their cut) WWE still made say $10 per buy on PPV, then the Money In The Bank PPV made them over $300 000 more than the same event last year (33 thousand buys more at $10 a pop). Plus whatever they made with the fast-selling new Punk T-shirt. Not exactly a rubbish result is it? Â I can't get my head around what WWE expected to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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