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What sort of work do you do, Whiskey? Out of curiosity.

He mentioned earlier in the thread that he'd worked as a CSO, so I'd imagine dealing with "scum" is not an alien experience if that's what you're intending to imply.

 

Every post i've made in this thread should explain it to you but your so set on your agenda you have ignored the fact that unlike you i have lived and worked there for half my life, unlike you i still know people who live and work there.

 

It has everything to do with the internet as you would never meet someone from Tottenham in person so from your un burnt home you can spout all the conspiracy theories you like.

 

When your friend has had sawn off shot guns pointed at his head whilst the fella goes stay down ash, note he knew his name as the prick went into the shop every day, when your friends have been chased out of their jobs by gangs of large teenagers after witnessing people being stabbed in the head over some loose change, after being punched and watching kids as young as 14 pull knives out on the police. When you have lived in Tottenham and had to meet your girlfriend at her car as you were both scared to walk the 50 yards back to your house as the chances of you getting mugged are stupidly high, when you have been to my area as you put it, lived in it, experienced what the mentality is, then after all that i'll happily let you come on the internet and spout bollocks.

Do you think it's possible that rather than giving you some special clear-minded insight, living in the area so long with all those negative experiences could have clouded your vision of the problems in the area? People only behave like scum when they're treated like scum. Growing up in those surroundings entrenches that kind of behaviour.

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People only behave like scum when they're treated like scum.

People are treated like scum because they behave like scum.

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People are treated like scum because they behave like scum.

Chicken and egg scenario isn't it. People aren't born as scum. Baby P had it coming I guess.

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Some info on the chap killed on Thursday

 

Mark Duggan, 29, was in a car being followed by police during a covert operation on Thursday.

 

But Duggan, a known offender from London

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He mentioned earlier in the thread that he'd worked as a CSO, so I'd imagine dealing with "scum" is not an alien experience if that's what you're intending to imply.

 

 

Do you think it's possible that rather than giving you some special clear-minded insight, living in the area so long with all those negative experiences could have clouded your vision of the problems in the area? People only behave like scum when they're treated like scum. Growing up in those surroundings entrenches that kind of behaviour.

 

Its totally possible and when living there it made me a very angry and bitter person towards them.

 

But i still stand everything i said. If you think these people act like this because of the way their treated then i'm sorry i totally disagree.

 

These kids and a lot of them are kids have zero respect for human life. I hear the excuses about how they can't get jobs and the police are horrible to them but there just that -excuses.

 

I lived in Tottenham, right opposite broadwater farm which if you aren't aware i suggest you google. I have no qualifications either. And yet i got jobs, i never broke the law, never got mistreated by the police either. Same as many other people i know from Tottenham and the surrounding areas. May i add on to that, London is different to places up north. When kids claim there are no jobs in say Liverpool for instance i can believe it. When they say there are no jobs in Tottenham, well fine maybe there isn't but there are plenty in London which Tottenham is a part of.

 

There is a culture amongst the kids in Tottenham, and it's not restricted to a certain colour either. They get into gangs, and have a real life rap song mentality. I've seen it first hand working in betting shops at how little they value human life when they want to make a quick buck. They also know that the police are severely under manned and pretty powerless so they get away with it for far too long which then encourages their younger brothers and cousins to join in as they see there elders getting what they want. I've seen drug runners as young as 12 with their boss being 16 for christ sake.

 

Last night and hopefully not tonight is about 2 things. The first is a community that is within the borough that has this warped sense of injustice because a known gun carrying drug dealer was shot so they're demanding immediate answers from an already severely streched police force who at the time were also trying to deal with a football match a mile down the road.

 

The second which is the one that really pisses me is that a load of pricks from all over took this opportunity to destroy a whole area, possibly kill people and ruin their lives all for a bit of fun and of course to make a quick buck. The area was already a broken down hell hole and now its totally destroyed.

 

Solutions? well first and foremost it needs at least double the amount of police and those police need more powers. I've met them mate, kids who will do what they want and openly tell you that the police or feds as they call them can't do nothing to them. Have police visable at all times and make drug dealing and their other ways of making money 100x harder.

 

I'd also knock down Broadwater farm.

 

Lastly and this is going to sound bias but let Spurs build the new ground and do everything needed to make it happen. A massive financial shot in the arm would attract more business'.

 

Often in these cases when people like me get all angry and people like you try and be more reasonable the law abiding people living amongst them get forgotten about. There are loads of great people in Tottenham from all over the world who just want to live a normal live. The sooner these criminals are driven out and away the better.

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There is a culture amongst the kids in Tottenham, and it's not restricted to a certain colour either. They get into gangs, and have a real life rap song mentality. I've seen it first hand working in betting shops at how little they value human life when they want to make a quick buck. They also know that the police are severely under manned and pretty powerless so they get away with it for far too long which then encourages their younger brothers and cousins to join in as they see there elders getting what they want. I've seen drug runners as young as 12 with their boss being 16 for christ sake.

 

Yep, here in Slough and spreading nationwide it's all about bandana gangs at the moment, gangs formed by the colour of their bandanas just loitering intimidating the public, nicking gold chains off old Indian women, dealing drugs getting their siblings involved to deal in schools, nicking stuff to order etc

 

99% these kids will never be law abiding sadly and all this talk I been watching in the tv news citing lack jobs/recession being a primary cause is bollocks - these dickheads don't want to make the effort in working and have zero sense of community.

 

It will be impossible to reason with them or establish some sort of dialogue because that would mean they'd be asked to stop their bloody offending first of all.

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Another problem is that scum like the BNP and the EDL love this kind of thing which makes perfect propogander for their agenda.

 

I don't think thats a problem in Tottenham. I doubt they would dare enter the place.

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Yeah, but shit breeds shit. Not always, but usually.

I'll give you a couple of minutes to think about that one.

 

These kids and a lot of them are kids have zero respect for human life.

Were they born with zero respect for human life, was that innate from the womb or was it something they learned over time? You say they're just kids, starting out as young as 12, but already they're dismissed as inhuman scum? Can 12 year olds really be that evil and conniving? Aren't they just playing the game as they know it? And the solution is to flood the area with police with a mandate for violence? Surely you can see that's an oversimplification of the problems? The way the communities are run needs to be fundamentally changed. Throwing a bunch of police at a problem area never solved any societal problems.

 

The sooner these criminals are driven out and away the better.

Where to?

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Chicken and egg scenario isn't it. People aren't born as scum. Baby P had it coming I guess.

 

Eh? So anyone that goes out and commits crime are only doing so because they've been treated like scum in the past? Thats such a responsibility passing thing to say. People rioted because a gang member, with a gun and alleged to be a drug dealer shot a police officer and was shot himself. People living in places with a gang culture have such a diluted and distorted idea of what justice is that they feel a killing is only righteous if performed by one gang member on another so having a police office shoot someone dead is wrong regardless of the situation. They then feel that they 'deserve' answers from the police when an official investigation is going on and decide that because they haven't got it (after 2 days) that they can burn stuff and break things. They are like this because they are uneducated, badly brought up and generally moronic people, not because they are poor souls that were treated like scum once.

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