TildeGuy~! Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Just looking at UFC's welterweight division... Â GSP, Condit, Diaz, Sanchez, Kampmann, Ellenburger, Shields, Koscheck, Alves, Fitch, Hendricks. Â Nick Diaz has been threatening retirement for years saying he isn't paid enough, he signed a deal with boxing promoter Don Chargin and was due to fight Jeff Lacy in a boxing ring before he signed again with the UFC. Â Diaz Vs Koscheck was thrown around if it were to be GSP/Condit next but that's not gonna draw. They want to keep Nick Diaz in the octagon and the only way to do that is a potential money maker against GSP. I doubt Condit could draw for the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted February 8, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 Thing is you're talking about who'll 'draw' like we're discussing match-ups for Wrestlemania. That's the problem, this is (supposedly) a top sporting organisation not a pro-wrestling company who can just keep sticking Cena in the main event cause' he'll sell PPV's. I'm sure the NBA would love to keep giving the Knicks or Lakers a play-off spot regardless if they win/lose as they'll bring in the biggest audience but sport doesn't work like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TildeGuy~! Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Thing is you're talking about who'll 'draw' like we're discussing match-ups for Wrestlemania. That's the problem, this is (supposedly) a top sporting organisation not a pro-wrestling company who can just keep sticking Cena in the main event cause' he'll sell PPV's. I'm sure the NBA would love to keep giving the Knicks or Lakers a play-off spot regardless if they win/lose as they'll bring in the biggest audience but sport doesn't work like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted February 8, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 Oh I'm more than aware of it happening & unfortunately it's the one thing that makes the UFC look fake as shit. Just because there's a precedent for it doesn't make it right. Lesnar getting a title shot with a 1-1 record was laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 MMA & Boxing are different from other Sports leagues though, the job of the promoter is to try and shift tickets and get PPV buys (or ratings) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted February 8, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 That's the job of all sporting organisations? Saying MMA & Boxing are different is a cop out. The NBA/NFL/NHL/MLB all make their money from TV, Sponsorship, ticket sales etc. What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 They have a schedule that can't be broken and all the teams have to play each other every season, MMA & Boxing do not, it is about creating a match based on fan interest. GSP is out until November, loads of people think Diaz won the fight (I don't) so lets make a rematch in the mean time. Â Brock Lesner was only given a title fight because Randy Couture wanted to fight him when he returned to the UFC and the other two top contenders had already filmed a TUF season for the interm belt. Werdum was the top contender but was only 2 fights removed from a loss himself but clearly the UFC and Randy Couture wanted the Brock Lesner fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift89 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 That's the job of all sporting organisations? Saying MMA & Boxing are different is a cop out. The NBA/NFL/NHL/MLB all make their money from TV, Sponsorship, ticket sales etc. What's the difference? Â The difference is that other sports have a set league structure so there is no decision over what games are played , it's determined for them. If the NBA/NFL could choose what matches to make then I'm sure they would choose the ones which would draw the most money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted February 8, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 Why can't their schedules be broken? Surely if it's what the fans want to see then there wont be any complaints? The people have spoken! Saying that other sporting organiations are bound by these 'rules' but the UFC can play around with it without recourse seems like an excuse. Â If they want to just fix/rig the divisions so the favoured fiighters get 'title' shots makes a mockery of the whole thing. Why bother introducing publicised rankings if they mean nothing. It really stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted February 8, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 What the hell is going on here? Diaz asked for a rematch, Condit accepted. Speculating that the UFC put pressure on him is hear'say. Â When it comes down to it MANY people had Diaz winning, myself included. I actually watched the fight again last night and I still had Diaz winning rounds 1,2 and 5. Round 2 was the contentious one but i've already explained my theory. Â The simple fact is there ARE people who believe Diaz won, which to me gives him the right to the rematch (as long as both parties agree). Saying Condit has everything lose here is complete horse shit! He will be paid a shit load by the UFC for accepting this as he knows he is in a strong bargaining position. Additionally, as i've said in my other post, there would have been nothing stopping Diaz facing the winner of Condit/GSP anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 They can't be broken because of the league structure but when they make the schedule at the start of the season, they put the bigger games on days and times they know will bring big ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members chokeout Posted February 8, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 What the hell is going on here? Diaz asked for a rematch, Condit accepted. Speculating that the UFC put pressure on him is hear'say. Â When it comes down to it MANY people had Diaz winning, myself included. I actually watched the fight again last night and I still had Diaz winning rounds 1,2 and 5. Round 2 was the contentious one but i've already explained my theory. Â The simple fact is there ARE people who believe Diaz won, which to me gives him the right to the rematch (as long as both parties agree). Saying Condit has everything lose here is complete horse shit! He will be paid a shit load by the UFC for accepting this as he knows he is in a strong bargaining position. Additionally, as i've said in my other post, there would have been nothing stopping Diaz facing the winner of Condit/GSP anyway. Â The simple fact is there ARE people who think Condit won as well, 3 of them were judges, There are always going to be controversial judges decisions, should everyone get a rematch everytime or just when it benefits a popular fighter? (Lets face it Condit wouldnt have got this rematch if the judges had called it the other way) How is Condit any better off if he beats Diaz again? He'll be in the exact same position he was 20 seconds after being declared the winner on Saturday. If he loses then hes not getting an immediate title shot is he? Also you cant have a go at people for speculating about UFC putting pressure on him then speculate about him getting paid 'shit loads' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted February 8, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 What the hell is going on here? Diaz asked for a rematch, Condit accepted. Speculating that the UFC put pressure on him is hear'say. Â When it comes down to it MANY people had Diaz winning, myself included. I actually watched the fight again last night and I still had Diaz winning rounds 1,2 and 5. Round 2 was the contentious one but i've already explained my theory. Â The simple fact is there ARE people who believe Diaz won, which to me gives him the right to the rematch (as long as both parties agree). Saying Condit has everything lose here is complete horse shit! He will be paid a shit load by the UFC for accepting this as he knows he is in a strong bargaining position. Additionally, as i've said in my other post, there would have been nothing stopping Diaz facing the winner of Condit/GSP anyway. Â The simple fact is there ARE people who think Condit won as well, 3 of them were judges, There are always going to be controversial judges decisions, should everyone get a rematch everytime or just when it benefits a popular fighter? (Lets face it Condit wouldnt have got this rematch if the judges had called it the other way) How is Condit any better off if he beats Diaz again? He'll be in the exact same position he was 20 seconds after being declared the winner on Saturday. If he loses then hes not getting an immediate title shot is he? Also you cant have a go at people for speculating about UFC putting pressure on him then speculate about him getting paid 'shit loads' Â Ok then, he will be getting peanuts!? Are you serious? Of course he will be getting paid a shit load of cash. Being a UFC headliner, he automatically gets a cut of the PPV buyrates. Â You've basically supported my point though by stating "The simple fact is there ARE people who think Condit won as well". The important aspect is in bold. If you have read my posts in UFC 143 thread, i've stated that i can see how many people thought Condit won. But in the end, there are alot of people who believe the result could have gone either way. Considering what is at stake here, the right thing to do is offer a rematch. Â If Condit wins again, more people will buy into Condit as being a credible challenger to GSP. At the moment, he has this win hanging over his head with some people questioning it, rightly or wrongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4chords Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 That's the job of all sporting organisations? Saying MMA & Boxing are different is a cop out. The NBA/NFL/NHL/MLB all make their money from TV, Sponsorship, ticket sales etc. What's the difference? Â The difference is that other sports have a set league structure so there is no decision over what games are played , it's determined for them. If the NBA/NFL could choose what matches to make then I'm sure they would choose the ones which would draw the most money. Â If you look at other worldwide sports, most of them use seedings to make sure that the big teams or players don't face each other until the later stages of the competition. While I don't agree with the Condit/Diaz rematch, it is totally understandable that the UFC will want to take advantage of the big controversy to make a few more bucks and get in a few more viewers on Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Condit or his manager could have always said no if they really wanted too. He will be getting paid big bucks for taking this fight, rather than sitting about waiting for GSP and then he can fight GSP if he beats Diaz in the rematch for even more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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