The Natural Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Dan Henderson turned down a match up against Lil Nog for the number one contendership after Evans/DavisI can understand that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted January 11, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 11, 2012 I was thinking about Hendo last night and there isn't anyone who is coming off a win at the top of the division for him to fight (discounting little Nog). I think they'll wait til after the winner of Rampage/Bader and maybe give him the winner of that fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 How is Little Nog considered part of the top of the division? He KO'd Luiz Cane (putting him at the same level at Stanislav Nedkov), beat Jason Brilz by highly disputed split decision (the Janitor KO'd Brilz in 20 seconds), lost to Bader (vicious GnP in the 1st, wrestlefucked for the next 2), lost to Davis (via wrestlerape) and beat Tito (which everyone bar Bader has done in the past 5 years). Does a name and history in Pride really mean that much? He hasn't impressed me at all since joining the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted January 11, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 11, 2012 How is Little Nog considered part of the top of the division? He KO'd Luiz Cane (putting him at the same level at Stanislav Nedkov), beat Jason Brilz by highly disputed split decision (the Janitor KO'd Brilz in 20 seconds), lost to Bader (vicious GnP in the 1st, wrestlefucked for the next 2), lost to Davis (via wrestlerape) and beat Tito (which everyone bar Bader has done in the past 5 years). Does a name and history in Pride really mean that much? He hasn't impressed me at all since joining the UFC.Is that directed at me? If so I agree with you. I don't rank him amongst the top LHW. I should have worded that better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 How is Little Nog considered part of the top of the division? He KO'd Luiz Cane (putting him at the same level at Stanislav Nedkov), beat Jason Brilz by highly disputed split decision (the Janitor KO'd Brilz in 20 seconds), lost to Bader (vicious GnP in the 1st, wrestlefucked for the next 2), lost to Davis (via wrestlerape) and beat Tito (which everyone bar Bader has done in the past 5 years). Does a name and history in Pride really mean that much? He hasn't impressed me at all since joining the UFC.Is that directed at me? If so I agree with you. I don't rank him amongst the top LHW. I should have worded that better.Ah okay, cool. Yeah, I think the upcoming fight of Gustafsson vs Nog is actually a bit of a step down for the Swede, or at least a simple chance to get a name opponent on his resume. Gustafsson has been far more impressive in UFC so far in dominating opponents IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted January 11, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 11, 2012 I'm happy with Gustafsson/Lil Nog. I believe It'll be a tougher fight than what he had against Vlad and if he wins he's probably knocking on the door of the top guys. Throwing him to a Machida or Shogun right now is a bit much I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Yeah, it'll be a good fight, I suppose I'm being a little harsh on Nog, he is a good gatekeeper at this point in his career, he's just not the elite that some people view him as. Another good opponent for Gustaffson would be Bader, but I get the feeling that after the Bones and Tito losses (especially the Tito loss), that UFC would like to protect Bader a bit and build him back up, he could still be a force at 205, he just got caught. Of course, there's zero shame in losing to Jon Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey_Piste Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Little Nog is top of the middle/bottom of the top. He's in the same range I'd put Bonner in that same range and possibly Rampage the way he's fought recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Snake Plissken Posted January 11, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 11, 2012 I think this will be Gustafssons year, if he gets a few decent victories in this year I reckon he'll be knocking on the door of a title shot come 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted January 11, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 11, 2012 Man here we go again, Shane O Mac hates Little Nog This will be a long post How is Little Nog considered part of the top of the division? He KO'd Luiz Cane (putting him at the same level at Stanislav Nedkov), beat Jason Brilz by highly disputed split decision (the Janitor KO'd Brilz in 20 seconds), lost to Bader (vicious GnP in the 1st, wrestlefucked for the next 2), lost to Davis (via wrestlerape) and beat Tito (which everyone bar Bader has done in the past 5 years). Does a name and history in Pride really mean that much? He hasn't impressed me at all since joining the UFC.Ok your last sentence, fair enough if you're not impressed personally. And his history in Pride has no bearing on my argument here. I'll just make a few points on the fights you mentionedLuiz Cane - Cane was undefeated in the UFC, highly touted and seen as a possible title threat. For this reason alone the win doesn't, as you say, put Nog on the level of Nedkov. By the time Cane fought Nedkov he'd lost a few by KO by then. When Nog beat him he was a contender, when Nedkov beat him he was damaged goods. That's the difference. It might not seem so impressive now but at the time this was seen as a very good win.Jason Brilz - Fair enough this was controversial. But really not as bad a decision as it's made out to be. All people remember about that fight is Brilz rocking him and the guillotine attempt. Under the old Pride scoring Brilz would win this but under the 10-9 system in the UFC Nog winning wasn't robbery. I personally did have Brilz winning but I can see an argument for scoring the other way.Round 2 was for Brilz, clear cut no dispute. Round 3 was clearly Nog's no dispute. It's how you score round 1 where it gets messy. I gave it to Brilz for the sub attempts but it was a close round.The Bader and Davis fights he lost fair and square but even they were close fights. It's not like Nog has been getting destroyed or schooled by anyone. People act like these were dominant wins for Bader and Davis when they really weren't. They won, I'm not arguing that but Nog wasn't dominated like say Florian was vs Sherk and Maynard. He showed some good takedown defence and striking in both fights. He just got taken down enough times for the other guy to edge the rounds. Bader, aside from that one burst of GnP everyone goes on about did pretty much fuck all on the ground and just lay there waiting for the buzzer.Yeah, I think the upcoming fight of Gustafsson vs Nog is actually a bit of a step down for the Swede, or at least a simple chance to get a name opponent on his resume. Gustafsson has been far more impressive in UFC so far in dominating opponents IMO.No way is it a step down. Gustafsson's coming off beating Vladimir Matyushenko. Little Nog is a logical next step. Gustafsson has had more impressive finishes in the UFC than Nog but it's worth remembering he's been operating on a lower level up until his last 2 fights. Nog was fighting Bader, Davis and Ortiz while Gustafsson's early UFC run he was in with Diabate and Te Huna. Decent fighters but a lower class than Nog was fighting. If Nog fought them he'd probably have schooled them too.Gustafsson's last 2 fights were a step up. Hamill and Vlad were tough opponents and real tests and the Swede passed with flying colours and looked great. Nog's a notch above them 2 imo so this fight makes perfect sense to me. Deffo not a step down.Yeah, it'll be a good fight, I suppose I'm being a little harsh on Nog, he is a good gatekeeper at this point in his career, he's just not the elite that some people view him as.That's a fair assessment. But I don't remember anyone saying he's elite these days. I'm about as big a fan of the Nogueira brothers there is but I'm in no way saying Little Nog is one of the top contenders. There seems to be an attitude for some though where if you're not the champ or number 1 contender then that means you're shite. There's plenty of good fighters in the UFC who probably won't ever win the title. Doesn't make them a non entity, they can still have great fights.Little Nog is top of the middle/bottom of the top. He's in the same range I'd put Bonner in that same range and possibly Rampage the way he's fought recently.Exactly. Little Nog falls into that category with Franklin, Griffin, Bonnar etc of guys who you can throw on a card to give some name value and a good fight. Co-main event level guys who can still go but won't trouble the top 3 or 4 in the division.Ha, I didn't mean to become Little Nog's number one defender on here. I'm under no illusions thinking he's gonna be champ or anything but I think people are way to quick to write him off to be honest. Even after the Tito demolition job he gets no love. Sure Tito's done but Rashad beats Tito - everyone raves about it. Nog beats Tito even quicker and easier - ahh Tito's past it.All that said, I'm picking Gustaffson to beat Nog, just feel it's his time, he's younger, more explosive plus he'll be fighting at home. But don't be surprised if it's close or Nog puts him in some trouble. He's always fought better against strikers than grapplers and he's technically more polished than Gustafsson so he should be a good test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 2012 has quite a few potential big time fights that could do big business on FOX or PPVIn addition to Jones vs Rashad, they may have Sonnen vs Silva 2 and GSP vs Diaz on their hands if results go the right way.JDS vs Overeem would be perfect for FOX also.I'd hold off on putting the heavyweights on FOX for a while, both due to the way Cain vs. JDS went and also, the UFC should showcase as many different divisions as possible in that high profile spot. I know historically, the heavyweights do good numbers in boxing etc. but no one was happy with 64 seconds of fight time. I'd feature the LW and WW divisions on UFC on Fox 3. If BJ Penn chooses to return, I think he'd make a perfect FOX headliner in either division.They could showcase the the lighter weight classes to support the Heavyweight title in a 3 match card on FOXThe only problem with JDS vs Cain was that there was no other fights before it, meaning the thing felt like a anti-climax, if they would have had Guida vs Bendo before it on the FOX broudcast in America no one would have a problem with the fight being over so quick. Fans love knockouts, it would have been a lot worse if they would have had a 5 round snoozefest.You said yourself that the Heavyweights are proven draws and the ratings last time on FOX was decent. The casual fans who dont pay for the PPV's will now know who JDS is, these fans are the ones who will watch on FOX and make up the mass of the audience. JDS fighting again on FOX would keep them interested and tuning in.Overeem is a PR dream to market as long as he does not get busted for PED, he has a bodybuilders physique, charisma and has just beaten the biggest draw in UFC history, casual fans will have heard about and be interested in seeing him. He also a good talker.I would market the card with Overeem vs JDS on top, and have say a BJ Penn vs Nate Diaz to support it. Fight fans get there fix, casual fans get to see megastars and UFC will draw massive ratings. Everyone wins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted January 11, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 11, 2012 Ross Pearson vs Denis Siver added to the UFC Sweden card. Touugh fight for Pearson IMO. Really looking forward to this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey_Piste Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I like Siver a lot and hopefully yht eweight cut doesn't take away too much of his power. It's because of Siver I would love to train in a bit of Tae Kwon Do, because of his vicious kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TildeGuy~! Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Akira from TUF(The nutty one) is up against Jason Young at UFC on Fuel TV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryko Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Pearson beat Siver at Lightweight in a decent fight and has already been tested at 145, wheras this is Siver's 1st attempt at 145 in the UFC. I'd say Pearson wins again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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