d-d-d-dAz Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 RTD's problem wasn't turning it ino a soap, it was having no idea how to portray the complexities of a character like the Doctor and turning the show into a glorified Nickelodeon special, where a one dimensional deity ran around saving everyone and being happy about everything. Â I actually like Tennant, and pre-Moffatt there were some good episodes (mostly written by Moffatt), but it just wasn't a show that appealed to me in the same way today's version does. Â Moffatt has problems, too, lots of them but thematically the show is a lot more grown up with enough scifi silliness to keep a nice balance. I'd take an eternity of Moffatts over complicated smart-arsery over RTD's era any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 It's not overly complicated though. It just sometimes the story isn't told very well. Whenever people say "oh maybe it alienates the kids because its too complicated" they're mostly talking shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Oh, absolutely. Â I've never bought that its too complicated for kids, if anything they should get it more because they're more open and not bound by the same logic. Â I guess in terms of Moffatt, 'complicated' means 'ties himself up in knots, occasionally'. Â He's still miles better than RTD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Up Chuck Posted May 21, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted May 21, 2013 I'm with Daz all the way on this one. I'll take a million Moffat loose ends over a single RTD overblown emotional certainty. Â And while we're on the subject, has anyone actually heard any kids complain about series 6 being too complicated? If so, fair enough, but I've got a sneaking suspicion it's just adults complaining on their behalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 To be fair whenever I hear that phrase its pretty much always by people who love the show rather than people criticising it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Up Chuck Posted May 21, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted May 21, 2013 I tend to come across it mostly in the comments (I know, you should never read them, I can't help myself sometimes) of Digital Spy articles, from people who liked the RTD era but have problems with Moffat. And a great many of them have words like "surely" before "it's too complicated for kids". So god knows if there's a single actual child who's found it too complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyV.2 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 No kid finds it complicated. Because it isn't. Idiots do. So Moff doesn't tie everything up? So what? That's surely a good thing sometimes, leaves a bit of mystery and to come up with your own theories. Also not everything is neat. He's a time traveler, things would go mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LariatTom Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 That's a very good point. A lot of people say it's confusing for kids...but how many 10 year olds are watching an episode of Dr Who and then going to the internet to try and analyse it to death? There might be some talk about it in the playground on Monday...but I imagine that's it. If it were me, my immediate thoughts would be: - Did you see the monster in Dr Who, wasn't he awesome and scary looking? - I wish I could time travel. - Why doesn't he eat fish fingers and custard anymore? Â As much as people grumble about there being loose ends and not everything being known, I think I prefer it that way. There should be an element of mystery and room for individual theory. I've seen plenty of different suggestions now about where John Hurt fits into the timeline as a generation of The Doctor. We have six months to speculate on that. Fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 To be fair the "too complicated" thing didn't come up on here until someone praising the show said something alone the lines of people may find it too complicated. Nobody criticised it for being too complicated. I, who've been the most critical, stated that I didn't think it was complicated at all, just poorly realised sometimes. I don't think children find it too complicated. It isn't too complicated. It sometimes has gaping plot holes you can drive a truck through, which is my criticism, but even that's true of Skyfall and Dark Knight Rises and Inception and seems to be in vogue at the moment to be honest. The show could have elements of mystery and be a heck of a lot tighter, personally I wish it was, and I wish more stories in series six had been allowed to stand alone, but that's about it. But if you're going to defend the show against the nasty people who raise criticisms with it, it helps, it really helps, if you pay attention to what their criticisms are instead of saying things like "So the show doesn't have bananas. Only idiots want bananas" when nobody criticising it brought up bananas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Up Chuck Posted May 22, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted May 22, 2013 I don't think anyone's suggested you were saying that, Vamp, but it's not an uncommon criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Then it seems very defensive and strange to bring it up if nobody in this conversation has actually called Who complicated but okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Up Chuck Posted May 23, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 I wouldn't say defensive, but I didn't think anyone was arguing. I thought it just came up as an aside, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP RULZ Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22741493  Shame as I was hoping he would do at least 1 more complete series before leaving but he deesrves to go on to bigger things as his performance has benn amazing  So who's next for Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 After last time I wouldn't even bother guessing at names. Gutted about Matt, there's been quite a few times when he's been the very best thing about the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfan11 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I cant wait to see John Hurts role in it. Is he in a series or chirstmas special or the 50th Anni special? I'm a bit out of the loop whats coming up tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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