Loki Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 And they're really living it up, aren't they? Â I'd like for the tinfoil brigade and their sceptics to have a pact. We'll keep an entirely open mind on the whole 2012 thing, and then when the date passes without the end of the world, the conspiracy/numerology guys will agree to admit they were completely wrong, shut down their computers, and head out into the blazing sunshine to rejoin the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatso Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Not sure if anyones seen this but Nasa pretty much name the most ridiculous disaster type films...  http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/jan/05...science-fiction  I find it interesting that they phrase Jurassic Park and dismiss the likes of Armageddon, I know the article is nothing to go by but gives the impression this world has more chance of dinosaurs than a big asteroid hitting the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandingo's Donger Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 And they're really living it up, aren't they? I'd like for the tinfoil brigade and their sceptics to have a pact. We'll keep an entirely open mind on the whole 2012 thing, and then when the date passes without the end of the world, the conspiracy/numerology guys will agree to admit they were completely wrong, shut down their computers, and head out into the blazing sunshine to rejoin the real world.  And if the world does end in 2012 and we all die then all us sensible open minded people will apologise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinc Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 From having watched the interview I think it's safe to say it is bollocks. Crane summarises it thus: -At some point before the 6th of June 2006, Ian R.Crane 'realises' that the powers that be won't let the date 06/06/06 pass without 'something' occuring. -Ian R.Crane, while researching this issue, discovers that the Seers Tower in Chicago is situated in the US zip code 06.06.06. Ergo he suggests the Seers Tower as a likely target for a terrorist attack on 06/06/06. -Ian R.Crane gives numerous public talks on this subject, encouraging his audiences to spread the word in the hope that the 06/06/06 attack on the Seers Tower can be avoided. -No attack is carried out on the Seers Tower on 06/06/06. -Some time later, a middle eastern Terrorist Cell is aprehended, apparently readying plans for a terror attack on the Seers Tower. No indication is given that 06/06/06 was the planned date of the attack. In fact it appears the arrests came after 06/06/06. Thanks for watching it and coming to your own conclusion. I get the impression a lot of people commenting on information I post don't actually check it out being at work at the time and unable to see the videos.  Did you also do the searches Ian says to do?  ian crane chicago seers tower terror attack  One of the searches leads to a video of his talk in Chicago alongside a former MI5 agent who is reliable source of information regarding false flag attacks (9/11, 7/7 etc).  With Ian R Crane he has a good understanding of all this esoteric stuff, which is beyond most people's understanding, at least at first when approaching the information. I don't have much of a clue about numerology but it seems the ruling elite if you buy into it are obsessed with the power of numbers and dates.  Eh?  Duane, why do you find Crane's Seers Tower story compelling? Having listened to Crane describe it in his own terms I was surprised just how much it conformed to self-parodic conspiracy theorist stereotype. It's a total non-story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Kookoocachu Posted January 9, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2011 Most of the doomsday theories are based on astronomical events at the time of what's said to be 'the end' of the Mayan calendar and assume that Mayans constructed the calendar influenced purely by the skies, in particular the Great Rift in the Milky Way. Some claim that the Mayans were aware of the Ecliptic intersected with the great rift, and that is was of 'special significance' in their cosmology. Â According to Jenkins' hypothesis: The Sun precisely aligns with this intersection point at the winter solstice of 2012. Jenkins claimed that the classical Mayans anticipated this conjunction and celebrated it as the harbinger of a profound spiritual transition for mankind. New Age proponents of the galactic alignment hypothesis argue that, just as astrology uses the positions of stars and planets to make claims of future events, the Mayans plotted their calendars with the objective of preparing for significant world events. Jenkins attributes the insights of ancient Maya shamans about the galactic center to their use of psilocybin mushrooms, psychoactive toads, and other psychedelics. Jenkins also associates the Xibalba be with a "world tree", drawing on studies of contemporary (not ancient) Maya cosmology. Â This is all kinds of bullshit and it amazes me that these theorists don't do their research. Astronomers argue that the galactic equator is impossible to determine the start and end of, as it is an arbitrary line. Jenkins' theory was made from observations of the galactic equator from 11,000ft which is higher than any of the mayans ever lived and alignments of the Sun at any single point is not on specific years Instead it takes place over a 36 year period and the most precise convergence with the centre of the Sun has already occurred in 1998. Even though Jenkins has said this himself in recent years, others still make batshit theories just based on this alignment. I'm not even going to go there about the psychoactive toads. Apocalyptic views from others based on this alignment, say that it will create a gravitational effect between the Earth and Saggitarius A*, a 'super massive black hole' at the centre of our universe. As well as the 'galactic alignment' he predicted already happened in 1998, the apparent path of the Sun through the Zodiac as seen from Earth isn't anywhere near the galactic centre of the universe, but a few degrees above it which is a substantial distance. Saggitarius A* is also some 30,000 light years from earth so couldn't have any gravitational effect on the Earth's solar system. To have any sort of effect, Saggitarius A* would have to be more than 6 million times closer to us. Â Another hypothesis suggest it relates to a "very different galactic alignment" which is proposed by some to explain a supposed periodicy in mass extinctions. It supposes that vertical oscillations of the sun cause it to regulary pass through the galactic plane. When the Sun is taken out of the plane by it's orbit the influence of galactic tides is weaker and as it re-enters the galactic disk like it does every 20-25 million years, it's influenced by disk tides which are far stronger. According to mathematical codes it increases the flux of Oort cloud comets into our solar systems by a factor of 4, making a devastating impact on the Earth more likely. The problem with this is this alignment takes places over tens of millions of years and pinning it down to an exact date is impossible. In relation to what evidence we have, it last happened only 3 million years ago and that the Sun is now moving further from the galactic disk. Â Other theories such as geomagnetic reversal have truth in them but as far as it being the end of the world is crap. Some hypothesis' say that this will be cause by a massive solar flare because at the time of 21/12/12 there will be a solar maximum. First of all, there is no evidence to suggest that a geomagnetic reversal would have any devastating effect on us. The Earth has gone through reversals before and we survived. Secondly, the last reversal we had was 780,000 years ago and although scientists say we are overdue a reversal they take place over about 5,000 years so even if it did have an effect we wouldn't know about it for a long time. As for the solar flare, the Sun's cycle is around 11 years long and we are at the end of the current cycle. The solar maximum was originally predicted to be at the end of 2012, but is now predicted to be in May 2013 and will be the weakest since 1928. Before, NASA said it would be the strongest since the 50's which I guess theorists are clinging to. It goes back to what some people were saying about the solar maximum during 2000, with scientists saying that it would be disastrous for orbiting satellites and telephone communications, a theory which evolved into the 'Millennium Bug'. What happened? Nothing. Â Bottom line is all these theories are based on galactical events and there is little or no evidence historical or archeological to suggest that they were influenced by them or solstices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo2007 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 2012 is getting closer, I can imagine more things like this will happen as 21.12.2012 draws ever closer. Â Why? We're all going to die then, you know. Â I'm all for it. It's probably the only thing that will shut you and Duane up. Well that's not very nice is it? I'm not wishing you dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Duane, why do you find Crane's Seers Tower story compelling? Â Because he is an idiot mental case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Kookachu, how dare you come into this thread with your facts and science and shit. We prefer blind faith and links to raving internet lunatics in this thread, thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Come on now Loki the science and facts is obviously just what "they" want us to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Kookoocachu Posted January 9, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2011 Kookachu, how dare you come into this thread with your facts and science and shit. We prefer blind faith and links to raving internet lunatics in this thread, thank you very much. My apologies  Not sure if anyones seen this but Nasa pretty much name the most ridiculous disaster type films... http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/jan/05...science-fiction  I find it interesting that they phrase Jurassic Park and dismiss the likes of Armageddon, I know the article is nothing to go by but gives the impression this world has more chance of dinosaurs than a big asteroid hitting the planet. We can but dream. Dinosaurs <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members neil's bitch Posted January 9, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2011 Yet X ammount of time in, (as a race i tihnk the mayans didnt last that long), they either all killed each other, generally died out or got invaided and killed. So well done mayans, fucking well done. Â Erm, the Mayan people are still around today, so even after the Spainish ran roughshod over them, yeah ... well done Mayans. Im aware the are still on going, but from what i can see its not how it was when the mayans where a huge race. i think at best they never were a massive "race" of people, but correct in saying well done to them. Again one of the older mayan tribe members has also said its pure bollocks, yet nobody reports that do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo2007 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 By the way, although I'm pretty confident of some of the responses I will get because, you know, you guys just have to feel better about yourselves right? Has anybody seen that series on the History channel called Ancient Aliens? Here's a few videos for those who haven't seen it;  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDijb91Jfs  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnBE29g4qss  The general gist of the show is that Aliens have been around and interfering in the history of humanity since the beginning of civilisation. Great show for the tin foil hat brigade, don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 My brother-in-law thinks alien giants built the pyramids, then mated with pygmies -- the earth's indigenous species -- and that's where humans come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members DJ Kris Posted January 11, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 11, 2011 The general gist of the show is that Aliens have been around and interfering in the history of humanity since the beginning of civilisation. Great show for the tin foil hat brigade, don't you think? I can't watch the youtube clips because I'm at work, but I'd have loved to have seen this show, is it repeated? Â My brother-in-law thinks alien giants built the pyramids, then mated with pygmies -- the earth's indigenous species -- and that's where humans come from. You have to admit though, there's a lot of ancient stuff like the pyramids and the sphinx that almost seem well ahead of their time. I'm not saying Aliens built them or tought them how, but I'd definately like to learn more about the theory. I love watching stuff like that on Sky's Documentary Channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo2007 Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Yeah, it's been repeated a few times. Just had a look and it's not being repeated in the next week or so but I can imagine it'll be back on before too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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