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post Jan 30 2012, 22:36
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Thought i'd start one based on this!

From WWE.com http://www.wwe.com/shows/eliminationchambe...er-2012-preview

"In breaking news, Executive Vice President of Talent Relations and Interim Raw General Manager John Laurinaitis revealed exclusively to WWE.com the Superstars who will compete for the WWE Title in the Raw Elimination Chamber Match: WWE Champion CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler, Chris Jericho, R-Truth, The Miz and Kofi Kingston"

WWE do 2 PPV's in a row with NO Cena in a WWE Title Match?! :O

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post Jan 30 2012, 22:40
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QUOTE (Hender @ Jan 30 2012, 22:36) *
WWE do 2 PPV's in a row with NO Cena in a WWE Title Match?! :O

Discuss


I'd love to see how you total up Survivor Series, TLC, Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber and arrive at the number two.

Also, Cena should definitely be in that match, he's the only one who should be carrying the championship into WrestleMania.

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post Jan 30 2012, 22:40
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He might still be. For some reason I can't see that six being the six that are actually in the match.
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post Jan 30 2012, 22:43
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Kofi's hand-standing his way into the Elimination Chamber (and the big time, and our hearts!)

...so don't really see anyone other than Punk or Jericho winning this. I hope they dont do what they did with Edge and Jericho the other year when Jericho came second in the Rumble that Edge won, then he won the Title and they faced at 'mania...

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post Jan 30 2012, 22:47
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With a Chamber match featuring Punk, Jericho, Miz, Kofi, R-Truth and Dolph it sounds like they are more or less saying "save your money for the month after, lads". Who wants to see that? Especially considering they'll probably all taste defeat leading up to it, because none of them is established as winners (apart from Jericho and thats only because he's just come back). Sounds like a Money in the Bank lineup.

Its a complete waste not having the Rock and Cena in a title match. It seems like the most obvious thing in the world. I know people like to say "it doesnt need the belt", but this is probably going to be the most famous WWE match in the last decade. It could do wonders for the belt. Especially if the Rock wins it. Imagine the publicity it would get, with the Rock doing all his talkshows with the title. Or if Cena wins, think of the crediblity it will get, having the champ beat the Rock.


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post Jan 30 2012, 22:54
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QUOTE (Cobra1000 @ Jan 30 2012, 22:43) *
I hope they dont do what they did with Edge and Jericho the other year when Jericho came second in the Rumble that Edge won, then he won the Title and they faced at 'mania...


Jericho didn't come second. The final 4 in that match were Batista, HBK, Cena & Edge. Cena came second in that Rumble.


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post Jan 30 2012, 23:02
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QUOTE (Silver_Mask @ Jan 30 2012, 22:54) *
QUOTE (Cobra1000 @ Jan 30 2012, 22:43) *
I hope they dont do what they did with Edge and Jericho the other year when Jericho came second in the Rumble that Edge won, then he won the Title and they faced at 'mania...


Jericho didn't come second. The final 4 in that match were Batista, HBK, Cena & Edge. Cena came second in that Rumble.


Oh fuck, didn't he eliminate Jericho though? Completely messed that up...



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post Jan 30 2012, 23:07
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QUOTE (The_BarbarIAN @ Jan 30 2012, 22:47) *
I know people like to say "it doesnt need the belt", but this is probably going to be the most famous WWE match in the last decade. It could do wonders for the belt.

I agree with you here. If you look back at the most memorable high-profile matches in WWE over the past 10 years, how many have been for a world title? Certainly not a majority, and that should not be the case. In the 1980s and 1990s, most of the biggest matches were for the WWF Title, and rightly so- as it was the highest prestige in the company. Hogan/Andre, Hogan/Savage, Hogan/Warrior, HBK/Bret, Austin/HBK- I could go on. As for the biggest matches without a title- Wrestlemania 1 tag and the SummerSlam 1988 tag are the big two that stand for me- and they still featured the WWF champion in these matches. Oh, and HBK/Taker HITC. So that's one.

In the past 10 years, the 'big' matches that stand out for me are as follows: Hogan/Rock, HBK/Taker (twice), HBK/Flair, Hogan/HBK, Mania 20 triple threat. These stand out as the biggest matches to me- and only one was for a world title, and that match is virtually erased from history for obvious reasons.

Ian is right, the WWE title needs this. All this 'it doesnt need the belt' talk means that the belt is going to be thrown into a match with two guys that clearly aren't at the top of the pile, which will instantly devalue the belt. Everyone mentions how the belt has lost it's value, and yes throwing it around like a hot potato between every Tom, Dick & Harry to see if the 'shit sticks' is bad enough- but not putting it on your top guys it just as bad in my opinion. The 1980s (and subsequently the 1990s) had a nice clear card structure which made sense, the past decade has seen that shot to shit. Look what happened in 1991 when Vince decided that Warrior wasn't going to do the same business as Hogan, he put the belt back on the Hulkster via Sgt Slaughter. Whoever is champion seems like an afterthought in comparison to back then.

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post Jan 30 2012, 23:13
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Surely Austin/Hart counts as a big match without the title.

Not that I think Rock/Cena shouldn't have the title match. Of course they should.
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post Jan 30 2012, 23:13
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Guess theres no real suspense in who the rumble winner will be picking to face then


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post Jan 30 2012, 23:26
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QUOTE (The Cum Doctor @ Jan 30 2012, 23:13) *
Surely Austin/Hart counts as a big match without the title.

Its a match more about what it became, more than what it was at the time. Leading up to it, it was just another Bret vs Austin match on PPV. It was the lowest drawing WrestleMania as well. It was a pivotal match in the career of Austin, and a tremendous match to watch, but Austin had far bigger matches than that.


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post Jan 30 2012, 23:41
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QUOTE (The_BarbarIAN @ Jan 30 2012, 23:26) *
QUOTE (The Cum Doctor @ Jan 30 2012, 23:13) *
Surely Austin/Hart counts as a big match without the title.

Its a match more about what it became, more than what it was at the time. Leading up to it, it was just another Bret vs Austin match on PPV. It was the lowest drawing WrestleMania as well. It was a pivotal match in the career of Austin, and a tremendous match to watch, but Austin had far bigger matches than that.

Exactly. Nobody knew how big this match would become going into it, and the significance it would hold for the next several years. Whereas the other matches were built and billed as huge and duly delivered accordingly. You get my point though I'm sure.


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post Jan 31 2012, 0:01
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I'm in favour of keeping the belt on Punk. Cena vs. The Rock sells itself. As I pointed out in the Rumble thread, WM just looks desperately short this year. It needs 2 title matches aside from the Cena and Undertaker matches. It's screaming out for them.

Also, The Rock isn't a full-time wrestler. He's got no interest in being a full-time wrestler. What would he want the belt for? For him to come back and start talking about beating Cena to be WWE Champion would seem disingenuous I think.


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post Jan 31 2012, 0:10
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I completely agree with rick. CM Punk challenging or defending the belt only strengthens his bout, whilst it does nowt for The Rock v John Cena. I think it will help cement CM Punk's credibility as a genuine headliner too.

Best thing about the Elimination Chamber is they show it on Sky Sports.


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post Jan 31 2012, 0:14
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What does it do for the belt, when its on someone wrestling in the midcard of WrestleMania? The Streak and The Cena vs Rock match is far and a away more important than CM Punk vs Chris Jericho for the belt. The fact that the Rock would want to challenge for it, shows how much it means, surely. He doesn't need to win it. The perception that the Rock might want to hold the biggest prize in wrestling is enough of a sell job. Perception is 90% of what makes pro wrestling. The perception at the minute is that there's a homeless bloke wrestling someone who looks like Gordon Ramsey for John Cena's belt in the middle of the card. How does that establish anyone as a headliner?

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