David Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I'm going with a Mousasi win via KO/TKO. I think that headkick from Lyoto may be the start of chin issues. Usually it takes something like that to start a slide, and the guy is 36. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted May 13, 2014 Author Paid Members Share Posted May 13, 2014 Am I the only one who thinks Miocic/Maldonado is just one of those fights that can't not deliver? It's just got soooo much potential. Â I'd like to think so and I can see why you think that. But I don't know. I've got a feeling Stipe's just going to take Maldonado down and beat him up. If he can do that it's going to be very one sided because Fabio's ground game is very ropey. I remember in his last fight, I think Gillante had Fabio's back once and Fabio seemed to have no conception at all of defending chokes and stuff. It reminded me of when Cro Cop beat Pat Barry with the rear naked choke. Barry just had no defence, Cro Cop didn't even bother getting the hooks in and still tapped Barry. Â I love Maldonado but I've said before, he's one of the most one dimensional fighters in MMA. He's a total throwback to the 'one style' SEG era of the UFC. Stupidly fun to watch and unbelievably tough, but very one dimensional. Him and Melvin Manhoef are my two favourite one trick ponies in MMA. Â And Stipe can wrestle. He's a good boxer but, without being arsed to look it up, I think he's got NCAA level wrestling as well. He used it against Roy Nelson at times, he used it against Gonzaga, and he used it against Del Rosario and stopped him on the ground. The thing they all have in common is dangerous striking. Considering dangerous striking is all Maldonado has, I can't see Miocic bothering to stand with him too much. Especially when he probably doesn't have to and Fabio isn't great on the ground. Plus Miocic should enjoy a pretty good size advantage so I think he'll be able to control Fabio pretty well. Â If he stands with Fabio, yeah, it'll be a war. But I honestly think Miocic can make this a pretty easy fight if he's smart about it. And he seems like a pretty intelligent fighter. Â Looking forward to seeing if Barnatt can continue to impress. I hope he can. He's been really good. Â I'm not sure where I stand on Barnatt. He's looked good so far but he's fighting lower level guys. He's what, three fights into the UFC or something now isn't he? And he's not been stepped up in opposition yet really. It's hard to say how good he is. He's was getting cracked quite a bit in his last fight which might not bode well for him when he does step up. He's alright but I don't really see him making too much of a splash. Especially at 185 which is more stacked than it's ever been now. Â I think you might be right on Mousasi vs Munoz, Dave. That's kind of the feeling I'm getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted May 13, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted May 13, 2014 I was reading up on Maldonado (especially as jimufctna recommended him as someone to watch as a rare example of an in-fighter in MMA), and I have to ask: did he ever give any reasons why he quit boxing for MMA? Says he was undefeated, I'm surprised he didn't challenge for any world belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I was reading up on Maldonado (especially as jimufctna recommended him as someone to watch as a rare example of an in-fighter in MMA), and I have to ask: did he ever give any reasons why he quit boxing for MMA? Says he was undefeated, I'm surprised he didn't challenge for any world belts. I would love to take credit for that, but I think that would have been EBB or Wand  Maldonado probably was a decent boxer in the pro ranks, but beating boxers out of Brazil (where he is based), is not like succeeding on a domestic level in America or even England.  Brazil is not known for its World Class Pro Boxers, it is strictly a MMA/MT/BJJ country. I cannot name of the top of my head one Pro Boxer who comes from Brazil. I do not think Maldonado could operate at World Level.  MMA was probably where the success and money was for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted May 13, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted May 13, 2014 I was reading up on Maldonado (especially as jimufctna recommended him as someone to watch as a rare example of an in-fighter in MMA), and I have to ask: did he ever give any reasons why he quit boxing for MMA? Says he was undefeated, I'm surprised he didn't challenge for any world belts. I would love to take credit for that, but I think that would have been EBB or Wand  Maldonado probably was a decent boxer in the pro ranks, but beating boxers out of Brazil (where he is based), is not like succeeding on a domestic level in America or even England.  Brazil is not known for its World Class Pro Boxers, it is strictly a MMA/MT/BJJ country. I cannot name of the top of my head one Pro Boxer who comes from Brazil. I do not think Maldonado could operate at World Level.  MMA was probably where the success and money was for him.  Fair enough. That makes a lot of sense.  I know it's not a big deal, but I'll check up and credit accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Fair enough. That makes a lot of sense. Â I know it's not a big deal, but I'll check up and credit accordingly. Â What a nice chap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted May 13, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted May 13, 2014 Yeah, 'twas wand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted May 13, 2014 Author Paid Members Share Posted May 13, 2014 Yeah I always bum the bodyshotters. Vastly underused weapon in MMA. When Rogan used to always say leg kicks were the most underused weapon I always used to think 'no, bodyshots'. One good shot to the body can completely change the course of a fight. I remember pissing about as a teenager at boxing training (I was never any good at it) and I started getting too big for my boots and this kid whacked me with a livershot that would've made Bas Rutten cum if he'd seen it. I slumped down like I'd been shot from the grassy knoll and felt like I was going to vomit my cock and balls up. I definitely felt my waters break. I seriously thought I was dying. Â My attendance at the boxing gym seemed to plummet after that funnily enough. I didn't even knowingly think 'fuck this' or anything, but I guess subconsciously I just realised 'what the fuck are you doing? You're not cut out for this'. Never felt agony like it. In that moment on my knees, the lad would've been kinder to just come up and knock me spark out. Â Just looked up Maldonado. I don't know why he quit boxing but I'd guess Jim's assessment is probably about right. Wiki says he started boxing around the same time he started MMA. He stopped boxing in 2010 when the UFC came calling. I guess it was just a case of keep doing both and whichever one he gets a break in first, run with it. Plus boxing can be slow going. He had 20-odd fights unbeaten but boxing is so different to MMA. If you're 20-0 unbeaten in MMA you're probably a contender because 20 fights in, you've usually beat some stiff competition and proven yourself to some extent. In boxing, at 20-0 you still might be a rookie and fought nothing but bums. It's a much slower progression. Maldonado boxed for eight years, so to only fight 20 times in eight years isn't much at all. Fuck, Tyson fought 15 times in 1985 alone, his first year as a pro. So maybe Maldonado was never that serious about boxing and just took the odd fight as and when for a quick bit of coin. Â One thing I loved though, on his Wiki page it says his nickname is 'Caipira de Aco', which translates to 'The Iron Hillbilly' His other nickname is apparently 'Brawldonado', which is utter shite. He might have both the best and worst nicknames in MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey_Piste Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Yeah I always bum the bodyshotters. Vastly underused weapon in MMA. When Rogan used to always say leg kicks were the most underused weapon I always used to think 'no, bodyshots'. One good shot to the body can completely change the course of a fight. I remember pissing about as a teenager at boxing training (I was never any good at it) and I started getting too big for my boots and this kid whacked me with a livershot that would've made Bas Rutten cum if he'd seen it. I slumped down like I'd been shot from the grassy knoll and felt like I was going to vomit my cock and balls up. I definitely felt my waters break. I seriously thought I was dying. Didn't you wear kidney protectors? My old boxing coach always told the story of when he used to box and one guy he fought constantly hit him in the kidney/liver area. After the fight he was literally pissing blood and had to go to hospital. He had a bruised kidney and liver ending up on dialysis for a while. So he constantly said about how lethal body shots are and how most boxers protect their face, but don't bring their elbows down to protect their body properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted May 13, 2014 Author Paid Members Share Posted May 13, 2014 Didn't you wear kidney protectors?  Like a prat, no. It wasn't proper sparring, we were just messing about. But we started hitting harder and I thought I was doing alright, then he showed me how wrong I was. Totally shut me down.  It must've spooked me because after that I was so shit scared of taking another shot like that, I started keeping my hands too low to protect my body. And as a result, my nose is no longer the one I was born with  Like I said, not for me, boxing. Or Muay Thai as it happens. I've long accepted that I'm just not tough enough for that shit. Especially as I've gotten older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted May 26, 2014 Author Paid Members Share Posted May 26, 2014 OK, double header for UFC this Saturday. The cards are complete now. If you're avoiding TUF Brazil spoilers DON'T read ahead. Right?  First up in Germany..  FIGHT PASS MAIN CARD - 8PM UK - BT SPORT 2 Mark Munoz vs Gegard Mousasi Francis Carmont vs CB Dollaway Luke Barnatt vs Sean Strickland Tom Niinimaki vs Niklas Backstrom  FIGHT PASS PRELIMS Drew Dober vs Nick Hein Magnus Cedenblad vs Krzysztof Jotko Vaughan Lee vs Yuri Alcantara Peter Sobotta vs Pawel Pawlak Maximo Blanco vs Andy Ogle Ruslan Magomedov vs Viktor Pesta  Then later on, in Brazil, the TUF Brazil 3 Finale...   FOX SPORTS 1 MAIN CARD - 3AM UK - BT SPORT 2 Stipe Miocic vs Fabio Maldonado Vitor Miranda vs Antonio Carlos Jr - TUF Heavyweight Finals Warlley Alves vs Marcio Alexandre Jr - TUF Middleweight Finals Demian Maia vs Alexander Yakovlev Rony Jason vs Robbie Peralta  FOX SPORTS 1 PRELIMS - 1AM UK - BT SPORT 2 Rodrigo Damm vs Rashid Magomedov Ernest Chavez vs Elias Silverio Paulo Thiago vs Gasan Umalatov Kevin Souza vs Mark Eddiva  FIGHT PASS PRELIMS Richardson Moreira vs Marcos Rogerio de Lima Wagner Silva vs Ricardo Abreu Pedro Munhoz vs Matt Hobar  Can't say I'm massively arsed about either show but they could throw up a few pleasant surprises. I like the two main events, even though I really don't like Maldonado's chances. Going in almost blind on the TUF Brazil guys because I only got about four episodes in and fell too far behind to catch up.  The Germany show will clash with Froch vs Groves 2 so I'll be giving that priority. I'll catch these shows Sunday or Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted May 28, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted May 28, 2014 very much a case of watching the 2 cards to make 1 nice big card for me  im waaay behind on TUF Brazil too, and being away on the weekend for Froch/Groves 2 im unlikely to catch up, i'll just watch the show, fuck it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 MMA will not exist to me this weekend. Froch vs Groves is going to be my combat sport fix  Only Stipe vs Fabio really interests me, I think that could be a fun brawl. I like Mousasi, but I am hardly chomping at the bit to see him fight Munoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted May 31, 2014 Author Paid Members Share Posted May 31, 2014 Everyone on both tonight's shows made weight. Â Maldonado came in at 225, Miocic was 238. You could tell looking at them in the staredown that Maldonado really shouldn't be at heavyweight. He probably shouldn't even be at 205 if we're honest. Got to love the man's fearlessness but I can't see him doing well tonight. I really hope I'm wrong though and I'll definitely be rooting for him. Â Maldonado brought his little kid out on the stage at the weigh in as well. He should've got on the scale holding the kid. He'd still have made weight easy and would've been a pretty funny little visual. Â The new Brazilian octagon girl is nice. Bit of a Trish Stratus look about her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 MMA will not exist to me this weekend. Froch vs Groves is going to be my combat sport fix Why not watch both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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