Guy Bifkin Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015  Herb Dean had a bit of an off night. Thought he dropped a bollock with both the Gomi and Barao stoppages. Thankfully Lauzon stopped punching but the Barao stoppage was pretty rough. Dillashaw was in full flow so I don't blame him. But Barao was so clearly done at one point when his knees buckled. He was offering nothing back and seemed to be being held up by the fence. And Herb just stood there staring off into space or whatever he was doing, resulting in Barao taking at least another ten unanswered flush punches he shouldn't have. Horrible.  In Herb's defence, with the Gomi one I think it was one of those cases where when you watch the slow mo, he goes out but then the next punch wakes him up. With the speed it happened I would be prepared to give him a pass on that one. You are right about the Barao stoppage though, he was gone way before Herb made the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015 I haven't watched this, and I don't really want to. As I've mentioned before, Barao's become one of my favourites to watch, and I don't want to see Dillashaw wrecking him again. Â That said, I know this might sound like making excuses, but it's more a question, really: is it possible that Barao's only inferior to Dillashaw at 135 because the weight cut at his age is not allowing him to train effectively? Is there a chance that, if both guys moved up to featherweight, the result would more likely be up in the air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015 Its hard to say. The weight cut for his age shouldn't be an issue (Barao is just 28, younger than TJ). The problem with the weigh cut is that he's simply trying to cut too much. Â The pychological factor in the fight didnt seem an issue either, Barao wasn't gunshy from the beating he took in the first fight, he came out firing. Dillashaw simply beat him up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Bifkin Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I think TJ's got his number. As long as Barao insists on plodding forward in a straight line like Frankenstein's monster, Dillashaw would beat him at any weight I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015 One of the better FOX shows, I thought. Â Barboza v Felder was like Tekken; all manner of button bashing moves were getting pulled off. I was with Joe Rogan in my awe of that Barboza kick, it's an incredible weapon to pull out. I agree that Barboza clearly won. Â Tate v Eye was another fun fight. The Tate/Rousey rivalry reminds me a bit of Sonnen/Silva, in that one fighter is clearly number 1 and the other is clearly number 2 in the division. Who knows, Tate may catch Rousey with one of those punches and the fight changes, but it seems like Tate will spend a career frustrated that she's just off the greatness of Rousey and the championship. Â Dillashaw couldn't have looked more impressive. Complete destruction. Â Yeah, Herb Dean needs to give his head a shake after his performance. Looked like he was in a quandry about his Hulkamania t-shirts during the big decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015 I think TJ's got his number. As long as Barao insists on plodding forward in a straight line like Frankenstein's monster, Dillashaw would beat him at any weight I reckon.  Fair enough. It just seems odd, is all - until the Dillashaw losses, he seemed to have the best fight IQ in the sport. He fought pretty smart, he could switch up his game mid-fight, mid-round even. Seems like he's just lost it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 27, 2015 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015 That's the mad thing though, Barao doesn't look like a plodder against anyone else. I just think Dillashaw's style baffles him. Dillashaw too quick for him and he's constantly moving and switching stances on you. Every time Barao would look to do something, TJ would be somewhere else. He'd throw a strike and by the time it'd reach where Dillashaw was, Dillashaw would be round the side of Barao potshotting him. Must be a nightmare to fight a guy like that. Not only are you losing you're being made to look silly, clumsy and uncoordinated as well. Barao looked anything but those things in every other fight he had. Â That's what makes me think it's more what Dillashaw did do than what Barao failed to do. The weight cut has been rough on Barao for a while. I remember talk of him absolutely struggling with the cut as far back as 2012, and he still looked awesome in his fights after that. He's only been made to look bad against Dillashaw. I'd find it a bit of a coincidence if his weight cut suddenly got significantly worse as soon as he crossed paths with Dillashaw. Â I think Barao needs to move to 145 now. He probably needed to ages ago, just like Aldo probably should've been at 155 a while back. Andre Pederneiras seems like a real control freak when it comes to his fighters. Of course, Aldo and Barao are grown men, they could move up anyway. But it seems like he's held in such high regard by his fighters they don't like going against his wishes. Aldo has been saying for years that he wanted to go up to 155 but Pederneiras wanted him to stay put at 145 (I'm guessing it's more financially beneficial to him to have a UFC champ in his camp/gym). Â Then again, maybe Aldo and Barao are in the right weight class. Maybe their weight cutting methods are just terrible? Nearly every Nova Uniao fighter has trouble weight cutting. Aldo and Barao are the most well documented. But Claudia Gadelha has had problems too. To the point she had to pull out of TUF 20 because she didn't think she could make strawweight three times on the show with the tournament format. Ronny Markes struggled to cut weight and often faded in fights. A Nova Uniao fighter actually died cutting weight not too long ago as well if I'm remembering right. Â That camp has an awful track record for weight cutting. It's why when BJ Penn went to train there for the third Frankie Edgar fight and people were going 'Oh shit! BJ Penn at Nova Uniao! He's training with Aldo and Barao and looks in great shape' etc etc, I was sceptical. BJ's conditioning was always his Achilles heel. My expectations were already low for Penn beating Edgar, when I saw he was training at Nova Uniao I expected his weight cut to go badly. As it turned out he didn't do his camp there in the end anyway (Shogun getting mugged at gunpoint scared him off training in Brazil). Â What was my point? Oh yeah, Dillashaw just has Barao's number. As disappointing as that is for me to admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015 That's the mad thing though, Barao doesn't look like a plodder against anyone else. I just think Dillashaw's style baffles him. Dillashaw too quick for him and he's constantly moving and switching stances on you. Every time Barao would look to do something, TJ would be somewhere else. He'd throw a strike and by the time it'd reach where Dillashaw was, Dillashaw would be round the side of Barao potshotting him. Must be a nightmare to fight a guy like that. Not only are you losing you're being made to look silly, clumsy and uncoordinated as well. Barao looked anything but those things in every other fight he had. Â Â Â Yep, that nailed it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015 Dillashaw, whether you like him or hate, has proven to me he's as good a fighter as any in the world. From his recent displays, I would perhaps make him p4p best in the world. He's just been that impressive. If we can get a fit Dominic Cruz back, it frankly could be the most high class and technical fight we will ever likely see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Bifkin Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Different weight classes but I'd love to see Dillashaw vs Mighty Mouse at some point too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015 Different weight classes but I'd love to see Dillashaw vs Mighty Mouse at some point too.  This was touted a lot after saturdays fight from many people. The only thing that plays on my mind is Mighty mouse dropped weight class for a reason, and it was because of the size disadvantage he had for being only 5ft 3. Now, I'm not saying the outcome would be a foregone conclusion as Johnson has improved vastly since his drop to flyweight, but Cruz completely outclassed him at that weight causing the drop to flyweight once the division was created. I think Dillashaw's reach and movement would be too much for Johnson.  I also realise Dodson beat Dillashaw at the TUF finale, but that was a completely different TJ Dillashaw that we are seeing today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015 Dillashaw, whether you like him or hate, has proven to me he's as good a fighter as any in the world. From his recent displays, I would perhaps make him p4p best in the world. He's just been that impressive. If we can get a fit Dominic Cruz back, it frankly could be the most high class and technical fight we will ever likely see.  I agree he's been very impressive, but I wouldn't go that far, not yet anyway. Given the length of Aldo's and Mouse's runs, I'd probably put them ahead for the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015 Yeah, not happening so long as he occupies the same planet as Jon Jones. Jones was on course to smash Anderson Silva's title defense record, before he acted like himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015  Dillashaw, whether you like him or hate, has proven to me he's as good a fighter as any in the world. From his recent displays, I would perhaps make him p4p best in the world. He's just been that impressive. If we can get a fit Dominic Cruz back, it frankly could be the most high class and technical fight we will ever likely see.  I agree he's been very impressive, but I wouldn't go that far, not yet anyway. Given the length of Aldo's and Mouse's runs, I'd probably put them ahead for the moment.   You're probably right about Aldo, but it's his inactivity that I have a problem with. In relation to Mighty Mouse, I just think he's level of competition isn't high enough to justify that title. Maybe if he gets through a Cejudo level fighter, and John Dodson a second time, I may start to think of him as number 1.  I just think with what Dillashaw did twice to a man who previously demolished his opponents, and in the manner of how he did it, deserves that type of plaudit. I honestly hold his two performances against Barao, both from a fighting and technical perpective, as good a performance in MMA i've ever seen.  Edit..in relation to Mr Bollocks. Jon Jones isn't on the pound for pound list at the minute as he's in theory classed as inactive for as you say, being a cunt. But you're right, Jones for me is top if we knew he would be fighting again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted July 27, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2015   Dillashaw, whether you like him or hate, has proven to me he's as good a fighter as any in the world. From his recent displays, I would perhaps make him p4p best in the world. He's just been that impressive. If we can get a fit Dominic Cruz back, it frankly could be the most high class and technical fight we will ever likely see.  I agree he's been very impressive, but I wouldn't go that far, not yet anyway. Given the length of Aldo's and Mouse's runs, I'd probably put them ahead for the moment.   You're probably right about Aldo, but it's his inactivity that I have a problem with. In relation to Mighty Mouse, I just think he's level of competition isn't high enough to justify that title. Maybe if he gets through a Cejudo level fighter, and John Dodson a second time, I may start to think of him as number 1.  I just think with what Dillashaw did twice to a man who previously demolished his opponents, and in the manner of how he did it, deserves that type of plaudit. I honestly hold his two performances against Barao, both from a fighting and technical perpective, as good a performance in MMA i've ever seen.  Edit..in relation to Mr Bollocks. Jon Jones isn't on the pound for pound list at the minute as he's in theory classed as inactive for as you say, being a cunt. But you're right, Jones for me is top if we knew he would be fighting again.   That's absolutely fair, but then I would argue that, by that criterion, Weidman comes ahead of Dillashaw.  And much as I hate to admit it, Senor Bollocks is correct about Jones. The cunt (Jones, not Bollocks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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