1SinN6 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) Going live has done NOTHING for the ratings. Going live AND switching timeslots was a bad mistake. Moral is up, the talent is more motivated to wrestle on a live show which lasts two hours instead of pissing about backstage all day waiting to do their part and the crowd is far better because they aren't watching hours of wrestling and getting burned out. Â I don't see how you can say the show doesn't feel different. It totally does. A live show always has a better flow and there's a sense that something unplanned might happen. Â Did the bulk audience even know they were taped before this? For ALOT of people the feeling is pretty much the same i would think. They always said they were live anyway. Â For Spike its all about money. And the ratings are not going up. Spike does a 1.0 with a wrestling show with wrestlers with low moral and a 1.0 when moral is high. Edited July 30, 2012 by 1SinN6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Seven Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) A live show always has a better flow and there's a sense that something unplanned might happen. Â Like Bruce Pritchard emerging from a side door into an ongoing promo. Edited July 30, 2012 by Mr. Seven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted July 30, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) If it was all about money for Spike they'd have pulled the plug years ago. The fact is, TNA has a lot of momentum coming from how well the shows have been received recently. And during two months TNA have been live, they have changed their time slot (which is Spike's fault) and Direct TV took all Viacom channels off. In the last two weeks, their viewership has been better than it has been in months. Â Here's something you are either ignoring or just not getting. TNA is a dead brand. They are fucked no matter what they do at the minute. It'll take a long time to erase the last 6 or 7 years of nonsensical booking and rotten presentation out of peoples minds. So if going live increases the long dead moral in the locker room (which its done), motivates the writing team (which it has done) and gets everyone working towards making the company better instead of the long routine in TNA of everyone having their own agendas and the shows being divided into each persons own agenda, then going live needs to continue. There is a reason Spike and TNA want to go live. It isn't a vanity project. Its an expensive process and one which in the long term may pay off. Â A live show always has a better flow and there's a sense that something unplanned might happen. Â Like Bruce Pritchard emerging from a side door into an ongoing promo. Exactly. Edited July 30, 2012 by The_BarbarIAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Up Chuck Posted July 30, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 30, 2012 I don't mind people randomly turning up in the background. Never have. Seems like something that'd happen if you were looking backstage at a wrestling show. Because, y'know, it just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutch Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Going live also means they can change directions if something bombs, like the AJ/Dixie/Claire angle, last year they would have aired 3 shows or something until they realised the audience thinks it's shit, now they can change it the next week. Â They also moved earlier so they wouldn't go head to head with the NFL in the autumn and winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingmad Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I hope IMPACT never goes back being taped. I hate taped shows, live is always the better option. Since going live it's had a great feeling of anything can and will happen. The crowds have been louder, the only excuse I will ever accept for a taped IMPACT from now on is the January tapings from Wembley. It must cost them over double on air-fairs and such to run live every week but like Dixie has said numerous times lately, this is the best work they have ever done and that can't be compared to costs in my opinion. Â The shows are good, the response is good. If they are still making money even though the costs are up but the viewership is rising it has to stay live. BFG has the potential to be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I don't get this reasoning of changing timeslots leading to a downfall in viewers. Week One, maybe, but are wrestling fans really that thick that they can't remember to tune in at a different time? Are they still WCW fans who tune into TNT on Mondays waiting for Nitro, before being inevitably disappointed week in, week out? Â "Oh great, it's 10PM, that means I can tune in and see the last hour of Impa... OH SHIT, NOT AGAIN!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SinN6 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 If it was all about money for Spike they'd have pulled the plug years ago. The fact is, TNA has a lot of momentum coming from how well the shows have been received recently. And during two months TNA have been live, they have changed their time slot (which is Spike's fault) and Direct TV took all Viacom channels off. In the last two weeks, their viewership has been better than it has been in months. Â Spike gives TNA money to help make the show. Spike gets a 1.0 for taped shows wich are WAY cheaper for Spike. The only way Spike can justify the rise in production costs is for Impact to do better ratings. Â Spike cares about ratings and they care about the cheaper 1.0 rating. Only a steady climb in ratings will convince Spike that the product is hot and has momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted July 30, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) Only a steady climb in ratings will convince Spike that the product is hot and has momentum. Like when they gave them money for Sting? And gave them money for Kurt Angle? And gave them money for Hogan and Bischoff? And gave them money to take Impact on the road every couple of months? Or when they moved to Mondays? Or when they went live previously? Spike has show their commitment plenty of times over the years to TNA in spite of the same old rating. You are talking like you know they wont move permanently, but you don't. They wouldnt be in serious negotiations and cutting costs if there was no chance of this happening. And especially now they are committed to trying to make TNA as strong a lead in for their MMA show which is due to follow Impact at the start of 2013. Edited July 30, 2012 by The_BarbarIAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted July 31, 2012 Moderators Share Posted July 31, 2012 PWSpyware is reporting that Johnny Ace has resigned as Senior VP of Talent Relations and is now working as a Road Agent/Producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SinN6 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) Only a steady climb in ratings will convince Spike that the product is hot and has momentum. Like when they gave them money for Sting? And gave them money for Kurt Angle? And gave them money for Hogan and Bischoff? And gave them money to take Impact on the road every couple of months? Or when they moved to Mondays? Or when they went live previously? Spike has show their commitment plenty of times over the years to TNA in spite of the same old rating. You are talking like you know they wont move permanently, but you don't. They wouldnt be in serious negotiations and cutting costs if there was no chance of this happening. And especially now they are committed to trying to make TNA as strong a lead in for their MMA show which is due to follow Impact at the start of 2013. Â ''Gave them money'' ?? Â Where does it say that Spike helps pay for contracts? Isnt Dixie's dad giving her money to get these guys? Spike gives money to MAKE the show, not sign guys. Thats all Dixie and Panda energy. Edited July 31, 2012 by 1SinN6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ronnie Posted July 31, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 31, 2012 ''Gave them money'' ?? Where does it say that Spike helps pay for contracts? Isnt Dixie's dad giving her money to get these guys? Spike gives money to MAKE the show, not sign guys. Thats all Dixie and Panda energy. Wrong.  Spike gives around $3m dollars to TNA each year, and pays a proportion of some high-earners' wages. It started when TNA wanted to bring Sting on board, who came with a hefty price tag. Spike invested in TNA by meeting some (or all?) of his wage demands. The same holds for Hogan and Bischoff - they were presented as necessary components to compete with WWE (and so bring in more eyeballs to Spike) and so Spike stumped up to cover some of their elevated salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SinN6 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) ''Gave them money'' ?? Where does it say that Spike helps pay for contracts? Isnt Dixie's dad giving her money to get these guys? Spike gives money to MAKE the show, not sign guys. Thats all Dixie and Panda energy. Wrong.  Spike gives around $3m dollars to TNA each year, and pays a proportion of some high-earners' wages. It started when TNA wanted to bring Sting on board, who came with a hefty price tag. Spike invested in TNA by meeting some (or all?) of his wage demands. The same holds for Hogan and Bischoff - they were presented as necessary components to compete with WWE (and so bring in more eyeballs to Spike) and so Spike stumped up to cover some of their elevated salaries.  Ah didnt know that thanks .  Spike might fund TNA some more, if bellator is suppose to go on after TNA next year.  Might make sense to keep the ball rolling. But you guys have to admit that it wasnt the miracle cure TNA was looking for. In the Russo era, nobody was talking about how they should go live and it hasnt solved ALL of their problems hence the ratings still being the same.  I'm coming across as a negative nancy and I don't mean to be. I love TNA nowadays and looking forward again to a weekly wrestling show has been awesome. I just wish they would focus on content a bit more before saying that going live will solve the rating problems. Edited July 31, 2012 by 1SinN6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members MichaelScarn Posted July 31, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 31, 2012 I don't get this reasoning of changing timeslots leading to a downfall in viewers. Week One, maybe, but are wrestling fans really that thick that they can't remember to tune in at a different time? Are they still WCW fans who tune into TNT on Mondays waiting for Nitro, before being inevitably disappointed week in, week out? "Oh great, it's 10PM, that means I can tune in and see the last hour of Impa... OH SHIT, NOT AGAIN!"  There is some merrit to it, in the short term. TV viewing is still a bit habitual, so there are people that would have watched the same program at 8pm every week before switching to Impact at 9. When they made the time change, viewres were forced into making a deision (do I watch whatever I'm used to at 8pm, or do I change and watch Impact instead). That decision is based on the quality of what they used to watch vs that of Impact.  Its not going to be as dramatic a change as it might have in the past with DVR useage etc, and most sane people would just record what they watched at 8 and watch it at 10 instead, still being able to go to bed or whatever at 11. I know from experience though that you can stop watching shows when the times get messed about with (once you miss something once, and don't actually miss it, it's easy to move on to something else). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted July 31, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted July 31, 2012 From everything I've heard, Spike are very happy with how TNA has done. It has maintained a solid rating for years and compared to most other prime time network shows it's relatively cheap and easy to produce and it stays on all year long. TNA and Spike have a great relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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