Mr Tibbs Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I can't see why people are bitching about this, the UFC are trying to build new stars (which is something they get slagged off for not trying to do) and this would go a long way in establishing new fighters in the average fans mind. Not to mention the winner of this fight will very likely be the next to fight for the LW title, having Diaz/Miller headlining a Fox show will do nothing but help the buyrate for that eventual show be even bigger.  I see no problem with it at all, after all UFC can't afford to keep putting on PPV headlining cards on Fox every single show and its not like people in the US (UFC's key market) are even paying for this show.  Fox is paying UFC to deliver ratings on these shows. As I said before, that was part of them paying 97 million over 7 years. Stars deliver ratings, Jim Miller and Nate Diaz are not stars. It's no good saying that being in the main event on this show will make then stars when it tanks in the ratings!  This fight is a good to great first or second card match on the show. It is not a main event. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I can't see why people are bitching about this, the UFC are trying to build new stars (which is something they get slagged off for not trying to do) and this would go a long way in establishing new fighters in the average fans mind. Not to mention the winner of this fight will very likely be the next to fight for the LW title, having Diaz/Miller headlining a Fox show will do nothing but help the buyrate for that eventual show be even bigger.  I see no problem with it at all, after all UFC can't afford to keep putting on PPV headlining cards on Fox every single show and its not like people in the US (UFC's key market) are even paying for this show.  Fox is paying UFC to deliver ratings on these shows. As I said before, that was part of them paying 97 million over 7 years. Stars deliver ratings, Jim Miller and Nate Diaz are not stars. It's no good saying that being in the main event on this show will make then stars when it tanks in the ratings!  This fight is a good to great first or second card match on the show. It is not a main event. It's that simple. Where's this idea coming from that Diaz and Miller won't get good ratings? I can't remember the last time a UFC show did poorly TV ratings-wise, even UFC on Fox 2 got a damn good rating despite the shiteness of the main card. People are definitely tuning in to watch the UFC brand, and having guys that guarantee action in the main event guarantees viewers, and raises the profile of the fighters.  It looks like UFC are trying to give fans a taste of all facets of MMA. The first Fox show was intended to be a heavyweight slugfest, the 2nd show was trying to show wrestling in MMA in the MW & LHW divisions, and the 3rd show will have a fast paced technical war with the LWs. Sounds like good strategy to me. Who cares how many PPV cards fighters have headlined, MMA fans want to see good fights, and the UFC has a great platform here to create new stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL ON METAL Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I can't see why people are bitching about this, the UFC are trying to build new stars (which is something they get slagged off for not trying to do) and this would go a long way in establishing new fighters in the average fans mind. Not to mention the winner of this fight will very likely be the next to fight for the LW title, having Diaz/Miller headlining a Fox show will do nothing but help the buyrate for that eventual show be even bigger.  I see no problem with it at all, after all UFC can't afford to keep putting on PPV headlining cards on Fox every single show and its not like people in the US (UFC's key market) are even paying for this show.  Fox is paying UFC to deliver ratings on these shows. As I said before, that was part of them paying 97 million over 7 years. Stars deliver ratings, Jim Miller and Nate Diaz are not stars. It's no good saying that being in the main event on this show will make then stars when it tanks in the ratings!  This fight is a good to great first or second card match on the show. It is not a main event. It's that simple.  You do realise Fox have the final say on who fights on these main cards right? I hardly think they're unhappy with it if they've approved it being the main event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted February 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 3, 2012 I think it's testament to how Fox want to proceed with the deal. As MOM said, they will have the final say over what fights they air and again, the UFC are building a brand, not using this opportunity to just show of their marquee guys. It is a ballsy move, but I believe it's the right one. They can't put big name guys on these shows all the time, so setting their stall out this early and showing that anyone on the roster is worth watching is the right thing to do IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 You do realise Fox have the final say on who fights on these main cards right? I hardly think they're unhappy with it if they've approved it being the main event. Â So Fox have now become experts in the MMA game after 2 months!!! Or is it not the UFC telling them that these are the guys who should go on top! Â I think it's testament to how Fox want to proceed with the deal. As MOM said, they will have the final say over what fights they air and again, the UFC are building a brand, not using this opportunity to just show of their marquee guys. It is a ballsy move, but I believe it's the right one. They can't put big name guys on these shows all the time, so setting their stall out this early and showing that anyone on the roster is worth watching is the right thing to do IMO. Â As I have said before, you need stars on top to help draw the casual audience and put the likes of Diaz and Miller on the undercard. You have to build a brand gradually. Not go balls to the wall in your third show! I want the UFC to succeed and grow, but I think that placing Miller and Diaz in the main event on a Prime Time Network is a risk to far. If I'm wrong, I'll hold my hands up and say that I was glad to be wrong. But I don't think that this show will draw mcuh over a 2.2 rating which is a big drop. Think about this too. If FOX see's a declining pattern in their ratings how long will it be before they start to really interfere in these shows and tell Dana that they only want the BIG stars on their show. That could be some serious troubles down the road. Â Where's this idea coming from that Diaz and Miller won't get good ratings? I can't remember the last time a UFC show did poorly TV ratings-wise, even UFC on Fox 2 got a damn good rating despite the shiteness of the main card. People are definitely tuning in to watch the UFC brand, and having guys that guarantee action in the main event guarantees viewers, and raises the profile of the fighters. Â UFC on FX (Which Miller was a co-headliner on tanked in the ratings!). Â The last Fox show has Sonnen, Bisping and Evans who are all established stars with the company so it wasn't a shitty card personality wise. UFC on FOX 3 will no doubt be the best show of the 3, but I think (and this is just MY opinion) that it will draw the lowest of the 3 which, if true tells a story of what people will watch. Â It could draw a good rating IF the UFC promote the hell out of that show from now until it's aired, but it will have to be the best promotion of a show that they have ever done to get Miller (and to a lesser extent Diaz) over to the mainstream audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted February 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 3, 2012 I believe alot of people will tune in because of the UFC name and that is what the UFC and Fox will both want. They might take a hit in the ratings, we'll have to wait and see on that but if a casual fan tunes in, you can bet he'll be telling his mate who may have not watched that the main event was a fantastic fight, despite the lesser names involved. It will get to a stage then where the fighter name doesn't matter, because the brand is so strong and that has to be the long term goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I believe alot of people will tune in because of the UFC name and that is what the UFC and Fox will both want. They might take a hit in the ratings, we'll have to wait and see on that but if a casual fan tunes in, you can bet he'll be telling his mate who may have not watched that the main event was a fantastic fight, despite the lesser names involved. It will get to a stage then where the fighter name doesn't matter, because the brand is so strong and that has to be the long term goal. Â I think at the end of the day we all want the UFC to be successful in whatever media it can be. We just have differing opinions about how they should go about it. I guess we will see a week after the Fox special if this was a risk worth taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted February 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 3, 2012 Absolutely. This could be a ratings killer, The UFC and FOX I'm sure are more than aware of that, but they know what the long term goal is and I'm happy their trying it this way. As fans we know that the guys with lesser names put on as entertaining fights as the guys with the big names and deserve to be held in the same light. Now the world gets to see that. It might not be an instant hit, but it's the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted February 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 3, 2012 I think the UFC sells on it's name (if you need proof of that, look at the recent Strikeforce numbers/tickets) i know the big stars in the main event help but im pretty certain that the name 'UFC' is what draws in the majority of the viewers. The Fox thing is drawing a whole new market, i don't really think the names involved will make that much difference. On PPV, names matter because the people stumping down the cash are already fans, and fans pick and chose what they wanna pay for...on a free national TV station a lot of the viewers tuning in aint gonna even know who the guys are fighting, they'll just tune in to see it...and existing fans are gonna tune in cause its free. Â It is a ballsy move, but the UFC needs to start taking these chances, and with Fox, i think the main focus is to put on exciting fights. UFC on Fox 2 failed to deliver on that, and i think they are just going for the jackpot in terms of good fights this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted February 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 3, 2012 ...ahhh just read the actual statement and Joey says he isn't retiring. Hopefully he'll continue to lose weight and goto 205. Â I don't think he'll do anything noteworthy on 205 if he even gets to 205. Â yeh, probably not. I'm just thinking that Joey kinda sits in that grey area, there's a massive difference between 205 and 265 and Beltran sits kinda in the middle but he's undersized there so it would be beneficial for him to perhaps move down. MMA definitly needs a cruiserweight division at 220lb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey_Piste Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I'd say 206-235 heavyweight and 236-265 as super heavyweight. The difference between weightclass in the lighter divisions is only 10-15 pounds which isn't a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 They need to stay away from a Cruiserweight division as there is'nt enough talent at HW as it is, why water it down even further? Cain & JDS could easily make 225 and even Overeem could if he got off the roids, Forrest and the bigger LHW's start cutting from about 230 anyway. Â The reason there is a smaller gap in the lighter divisions is because of % of body weight and there is not really that big of a skill gap between someone that weighs 155 and 145, so size and strengh obviously matter but Heavyweights are'nt that well rounded at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey_Piste Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 But there being a nearly 4 stone difference is ridiculous. With that break in the heavyweights, you could have a lot of the light heavyweights fighting at their natural weight and this would continue down the divisions. Weight cutting is generally stupid and dangerous anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted February 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted February 3, 2012 I could maybe see Cruiserweight coming in in a few years but not yet. Remember, it was only 3 or 4 years ago the Heavyweight division was shite (in the UFC at least) with Tim Sylvia defending his title against Jeff Monson and guys like Justin Eilers and Paul Buentello were getting title shots when Arlovski was champ. It's come a long way since but if you bring in Cruiserweight now just when the Heavyweight division is really growing it would weaken that division imo. Â Over the next few years with more exposure and more athletes taking up MMA maybe they'll have a deep enough pool of talent to sustain another division. If that weightclass was created now Heavyweight would likely lose the likes of Cain, Big Nog, maybe even Dos Santos and a bunch of others hovering around 220-235lbs. Heavyweight is stronger than ever but they can't afford to split that division in two at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I actually think that fighter who weigh over 245lbs are at a distinct disadvantage to fighters who fights at say 230lbs - 245lbs to be honset. Â I think JDS and Cain have the right idea and balance with there weight and physiques, the Shane Carwin's of the world give up to much speed, cardio and skill for the added power that 20lbs or so provides at heavyweight. Â A Crusier division of 205-220lbs maybe a good idea in a few years though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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