Yoghurt Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 There's nothing really to "Take Back" over here, most people don't want a revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 As long as they don't turn to Socialism, which they clearly aren't given how students have been attacking Socialist workers at their rallies then we aren't quite in the shitter yet. Just out of curiosity Yoggi, what exactly do you think Socialism is? How would you define it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Psygnosis Posted February 22, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) -edit- my bad wrong thread Edited February 22, 2011 by Psygnosis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbins Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 So Cameron's visit to Cairo was just a PR stop on his way to continue flooding the region with arms.  http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/fe...t-defence-trade  David Cameron's efforts to promote democracy in the Middle East by becoming the first foreign leader to visit Cairo were overshadowed as it emerged that he will spend the next three days touring undemocratic Gulf states with eight of Britain's leading defence manufacturers. After a hastily convened stopover in Egypt, where he spoke of being "inspired" by protesters, the PM began a long-scheduled trade mission by landing in Kuwait, a key military ally. Britain has approved 1,155 arms export licences for Kuwait since 2003, worth a total of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Two Libyan airforce pilots have landed and claimed asylum in Malta after they were ordered to bomb the protesters. Brave men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted February 22, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted February 22, 2011 People are starting to believe they really can take their countries back. It's just a pity we probably won't ever see the same kind of thing here. What the fuck have we got to complain about? In general, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Not the first time i've heard the 'rejecting socialism', guff. Â To my mind, democracy and socialism are synonymous with the other and a 'bottom-up' revolution in the name of self-determination is as 'socialist' as can be. Communism and Socialism are not the same thing, for one, nor is democracy necessarily indicative of Western democracy. Â As David alluded to, just because the Middle East is slowly but surely fighting for the right to determine their own path does not mean they are doing it in the image of the United States, or the United Kingdom. Western liberal democracy is overly consumed with the procedural side of political democracy, whilst having completely abandoned the root of democracy which is representation and the feeling at the pit of the stomach that you deserve better. Â Another thing, socialism and/or socialists shouldn't reject a pluralistic political paradigm, they should reject hegemony of any kind; be that ideational hegemony (i.e. socialism as a political organising principle) or class hegemony or state hegemony on the international system. Hegemony creates hierachy which in turn necessitates inequality. I don't know why people, even some socialists, think the very existence of right-wing political views is abhorrent; the views might be, their existence is important. Â /rant Edited February 22, 2011 by d-d-d-dAz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matbro1984 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Two Libyan airforce pilots have landed and claimed asylum in Malta after they were ordered to bomb the protesters. Brave men. Astounding, and lets hope their colleagues follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matbro1984 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 He's a hell of a twat, but George Galloway is giving a great performance on Sky News right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Dammer Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 As long as they don't turn to Socialism, which they clearly aren't given how students have been attacking Socialist workers at their rallies then we aren't quite in the shitter yet. Just out of curiosity Yoggi, what exactly do you think Socialism is? How would you define it? Â David, I remember twice posting a question to you regarding London Underground staff strikes after you posted a rejecting response without actually answering my question, you simply ignored it so dont keep hounding somebody for the answer to a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'll ask it, then, and i'll be happy to answer any counter questions. What do you think socialism is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoghurt Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 People are starting to believe they really can take their countries back. It's just a pity we probably won't ever see the same kind of thing here. What the fuck have we got to complain about? In general, really? Â The fact is there really is nothing, we aren't oppressed, not particularly poor, we're not under the religious boot, we're well off and have a great lot in out collective lives and live in relative safety. Nothing to revolution against at all. Some people just want civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Jesus I'm watching Gaddafi's "speech" and has he always been this bonkers? Â Anyway. Â Al Jazeera English tweets: "Libyan ship spotted off Malta coast: Italian navy say they are monitoring a Libyan "naval asset" off the coast of Malta." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman89762000 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Just out of curiosity what was it thats sparked all of this toppling of regimes that we've been witnessing the last few weeks? I've tried finding out by watching sky news but its usually just them going on about OIL or whatever so can someone on here explain it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Regardless of what the West says I think it is less to do with Democracy and more to do with worsening conditions in the countries, increasing food prices, widespread corruption and rampent nepotism. Â People are simply reaching breaking point. Â EDIT Â As for where it all started I'm sure myself all I really know is that Tunisia fell out of nowhere and that was the first major event, I get the impression that protests have been going on in some countries for some time before Tunisia but for whatever reason (no believed anything would change perhaps) the media pretty much ignored the situation. Edited February 22, 2011 by The King Of Swing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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